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Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by gnulinux »

aeze wrote: post #505
throwaway515 wrote: post #168

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> Basically this means that in modern dating, if you are short, you are very likely to die alone and this trend will only get worse in the future. I'm 5'6, and after almost 15 years of dating sites to modern dating apps, I have indeed accepted that yes, I will very likely die alone. My therapist has even half-seriously suggested I try lying about my height, and qualms aside, from the studies I've read, any plausible-…

I'm 5'5, pretty average (ie. not rich or particularly physically attractive), and I've consistently had attractive romantic partners my entire life. US-based, metropolitan area if that matters. I don't really have any advice, but I really don't think your height is limiting you. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely harder than if you were six inches taller, but it's not that bad. It's one factor of many that affects y…

These anecdote-based "it's not that bad" comments are very misguided. Even the OP article clearly points out statistically even small differences like 5'7 vs 5'8 make huge differences and something like 5'6 to 6'0 can have 200x difference.

This is by no means "fine" seeing (1) finding a romantic partner is one of the most important determiners of mental health (2) youth today is going through a huge social isolation crisis. If you're short you're seen (not explicitly, but through statistical regression to the mean) as a lesser person.

I think it's absolutely crucial to understand this is not "fine" and compansate accordingly. This seems like the responsible truth to me.

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Post by gnulinux »

Crabber wrote: post #255
thangalin wrote: post #158

For folks in this thread making statements such as, "I don't see how one can dictate to others what they should find attractive," the negative social stigmas towards men of short stature go far beyond physical attraction. (There's absolutely nothing wrong with women finding taller men attractive.) https://twitter.com/heightismxposed Swap "short guy" for "Jew" in the quotations from those twits that have nothing to do…

Stop basing your entire worldview on what 20 women said on twitter.com in 2014

For some, this is merely the paper evidence of shit I'm being told to my face every day.

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Post by astrange »

doubleunplussed wrote: post #640
astrange wrote: post #274

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The selective pressure is actually for shorter people as all the taller people were killed in WW1.

It's the opposite [1]: "taller soldiers are more likely to survive battle and that taller parents are more likely to have sons". This was based on his research of British Army records from the First World War, which showed that "surviving soldiers were on average more than one inch (3.33 cm) taller than fallen soldiers" [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Returning_soldier_effect

I was thinking that the taller men were recruited to the army first, while the rest didn't leave home at all. But eventually everyone would've joined I suppose.

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Post by aortega »

rectang wrote: post #390
daenz wrote: post #108

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Yep. Nobody wants to talk about it, but the amount of abuse that is directed from otherwise-socially-conscious women towards short men is pretty disgusting. It's extremely common for groups of women to laugh at and deride short men, both online and publicly in real life. It's eye-opening. (And before you ask, no I am not short, I've just witnessed the abuse first hand).

We'd be in a better place if we started from the assumption that everybody is prejudiced, it takes work for any of us to overcome it, and the work is never complete. I've seen hypocrisy and cruelty from people of all backgrounds. But anecdotally, among the "socially conscious women" I've spent time around, this, which is one of three top comments on the article, is a common sentiment: > This is a reminder that the pa…

>This is a reminder that the patriarchy hurts everyone

Let me get this straight, so women abusing and being hostile to short men, is the men's fault? lol you logic is incredible sometimes.

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Post by aortega »

jdkee wrote: post #178
chrischen wrote: post #70

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My point is that preferences are malleable and there is no objective reality or grounding in modern society for short stature being an undesirable trait (at least going forward). My hypothesis is that short stature historically has been attributed to malnutrition, and therefore destitution as well, which has shaped modern day preferences, but perception lags reality. EDIT: Also I should add that people are reading my…

Via Rob Henderson's newsletter: Muscularity is the strongest predictor of mating success for men. A study on males aged 18 to 59 found that muscularity is significantly positively associated with the number of total sexual partners and partners in the last year. Handgrip strength is correlated with self-assessed happiness, health, social confidence, overall physical attractiveness, and overall number of sexual partne…

The problem with that study is that you cannot asses height accurately from pictures.

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Post by Thorrez »

mechanical_bear wrote: post #527
skeptikal wrote: post #393

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Ya, that happened to me once (Im almost 6’2’’). A guy who couldn't have been 5 10 was insisting he was 6 and that I was taller than stated. What was weird was that we were alone. He was only lying to himself. And you know what, he was a bit weird looking. He had bad posture. But he was a good guy. A smart, hard working guy with a big heart. This height thing is annoying. Id gladly trade inches of height in exchange f…

> … almost 6’2” So…you are 6’1”?

Which is preferred: truncating or rounding?

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

afr0ck wrote: post #776
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #400

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I have a long standing rule that nothing is off limits to poke someone over - except immutable things. It’s the one bit of advice I’ll make sure to pass on.

The problem with your comment is that it classifies short stature as a bad negative trait. In my humble opinion, except in pathological cases, short stature is a normal thing. It should not even be a subject of mockery because being short is not bad or negative or tragic. If a person is healthy, functional, fit and he is 5'4, I don't see why that is viewed negatively in modern society and it is mocked for, like being…

I didn’t say anything in the sort. I said I don’t poke at peoples immutable characteristics, period.

Are you just looking to be offended?

And no for what it’s worth… short people do not run, jump, or fight the same. We could play an anecdote game all day where you find the best historical examples, and i counter them, but let’s not. There are things that make us different, be ok with that, because you sure as hell can’t change it.

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Post by mxkopy »

leereeves wrote: post #759
mxkopy wrote: post #744

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I can't downvote or flag, and I don't really care to moderate my language. So I'll use the tools I'm given I guess? Sad to see so much focus on a discussion of moderation, rather than the sexism and bigotry I thought was so evident. So tell me, what do you think? Is shortness really that much an impediment in the dating game? And what is the solution, if that's the case?

Is it also sexist when women complain about being judged/mocked/disrespected for their weight? The details are different for men and women but both can experience similar problems. Really the dividing line here isn't between men and women; it's between privileged and disadvantaged. I guess it's called "body shaming" now, and it's one of the only remaining socially acceptable prejudices. There may not be a solution, b…

It is sexism when those women specify that they are being mocked by men. Being mean is not a trait inherent to women or men as the prevailing attitude in these comments implies.

>for talking about how painful it can be isn't helpful.

Allowing a culture of men complaining about women to fester is not healthy for society.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

daenz wrote: post #778
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #757

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I’m not familiar with matriarchal societies. I aspire to a society where gender expression is independent from societal roles.

I believe it's an emergent phenomenon, so unless there is a plan to enforce that from emerging, you're going to be very unsatisfied even if "the patriarchy" is removed. But my question that I want to understand is, are "gender roles" by definition a patriarchal concept? If so, "the patriarchy" will always be a boogeyman to blame any time gender roles emerge. If not, then tying them to patriarchy is dishonest.

I would guess that both monogamy and historical gender roles derive from the economics of an agricultural society. We had thousands of years where almost all people were agriculturalists. It’s only within the last hundred or so that we have large numbers of people no longer closely tied to agriculture. I expect both expected gender roles and our societal concept of marriage to undergo profound changes.
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