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Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by radford-neal »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #281
radford-neal wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For terrorism to be morally justified, you have to be right that the alternative is millions of deaths. Have you considered the possibility that you are not right? I mean, really considered? Not, my friends all think the same way, and so do the charismatic politicians I prefer, so it must be true? You could start with your "tens or hundreds of thousands of deaths into the climate crisis" claim, which is highly dubiou…

I've seen several publications in the last 5 to 7 years which suggest less nutrients in plants grown in higher CO2 containing atmosphere. For both outdoor and indoor. IIRC the useful nutrients are dispersed in more plant mass, which amounts to dilution. Why it is like that, I don't remember anymore.

Suppose that one thing you like to do in your leisure time is swim in lakes, which can only be done in summer. Now suppose that your work schedule changes, so that you have additional vacation time in winter, in addition to the leisure time you had before. Do you say, "Great! Now I have more time for leisure activities!", or do you say, "That sucks! The proportion of my leisure time that I can spend swimming has gone down!".

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

radford-neal wrote: post #291
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen several publications in the last 5 to 7 years which suggest less nutrients in plants grown in higher CO2 containing atmosphere. For both outdoor and indoor. IIRC the useful nutrients are dispersed in more plant mass, which amounts to dilution. Why it is like that, I don't remember anymore.

Suppose that one thing you like to do in your leisure time is swim in lakes, which can only be done in summer. Now suppose that your work schedule changes, so that you have additional vacation time in winter, in addition to the leisure time you had before. Do you say, "Great! Now I have more time for leisure activities!", or do you say, "That sucks! The proportion of my leisure time that I can spend swimming has gone…

That's not how I remember it ;)

What I meant to say was less nutrients in same amount of weight/volume eaten.

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by elric »

jokoon wrote: post #199
elric wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hilarious" is not the word I'd use. "Dispiriting", "Irresponsible", "Fucked up". I don't understand why we aren't pouring massive amounts of money into public transport. Apparently many people in Western Europe seem to enjoy being stuck in traffic for hours every day. For some reason, company cars are still a thing in Belgium, very nearly everyone working in IT gets one. I can't wrap my head around how stupid this i…

> I don't understand why we aren't pouring massive amounts of money into public transport. Because it would be seen as a socialist measure.

That might be a valid explanation in the US, but it's hardly the case in the rest of the world ...

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by godDLL »

dorgo wrote: post #250
hypefi wrote: post #130

I live in Morocco, and painting the roof white has greatly reduced the temperature inside the house during summer.

Why not putting mirrors on the roof?

Pretty sure overhead pilots will object heavily to that.

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by ncmncm »

Retric wrote: post #279
mensetmanusman wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are studying the effect. Passive cooling films get at the ‘materials cities are made of’ problem, by decreasing the city-wide absorptivity of heat energy. “We found that waste heat from air conditioning systems was maximum during the day but the mean effect was negligible near the surface. However, during the night, heat emitted from air conditioning systems increased the mean air temperature by more than 1 de…

First props that’s a peer reviewed paper so this may just be hot air on my part. Anyway, their using the most extreme data that they can find to base their calculations which is rather suspect. They regularly mention 65% of electricity useable for AC, but that’s peak during a heatwave not the general average etc. Still, a peak of 0.5-1C at night and ~0C in the daytime is a much larger effect than I was expecting espe…

> ...so this may just be hot air on my part.

Truer words were never spoken, no qualification needed.

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by [deleted] »

ncmncm wrote: post #295
Retric wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First props that’s a peer reviewed paper so this may just be hot air on my part. Anyway, their using the most extreme data that they can find to base their calculations which is rather suspect. They regularly mention 65% of electricity useable for AC, but that’s peak during a heatwave not the general average etc. Still, a peak of 0.5-1C at night and ~0C in the daytime is a much larger effect than I was expecting espe…

> ...so this may just be hot air on my part. Truer words were never spoken, no qualification needed.

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Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by [deleted] »

ncmncm wrote: post #295
Retric wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First props that’s a peer reviewed paper so this may just be hot air on my part. Anyway, their using the most extreme data that they can find to base their calculations which is rather suspect. They regularly mention 65% of electricity useable for AC, but that’s peak during a heatwave not the general average etc. Still, a peak of 0.5-1C at night and ~0C in the daytime is a much larger effect than I was expecting espe…

> ...so this may just be hot air on my part. Truer words were never spoken, no qualification needed.

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Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by Retric »

Retric wrote: post #279
mensetmanusman wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are studying the effect. Passive cooling films get at the ‘materials cities are made of’ problem, by decreasing the city-wide absorptivity of heat energy. “We found that waste heat from air conditioning systems was maximum during the day but the mean effect was negligible near the surface. However, during the night, heat emitted from air conditioning systems increased the mean air temperature by more than 1 de…

First props that’s a peer reviewed paper so this may just be hot air on my part. Anyway, their using the most extreme data that they can find to base their calculations which is rather suspect. They regularly mention 65% of electricity useable for AC, but that’s peak during a heatwave not the general average etc. Still, a peak of 0.5-1C at night and ~0C in the daytime is a much larger effect than I was expecting espe…

So, yea 0.5 to 1C was taken out of context.

“To evaluate the contribution of AC systems on air temperature, the WRF AC100%, AC65%, and AC35% simulations were compared against the AC_NoOut experiment.” It’s even in the conclusion: “Sustainable development and optimization of electricity consumption in cities would require turning “wasted heat” from AC into “useful energy” which can be utilized inside houses for various purposes including, for example, in water heaters.”

In other words they simulated the cooling effect of AC without the heat produced by the AC systems entering the environment as the baseline. Not what would have happened if the AC had been turned off.

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Post by [deleted] »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #216
ch4s3 wrote: post #202

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I thought the setup for that book was interesting, but it's probably his worst book IMHO (though I haven't read all of them). Normally I'm careful about attributing the actions of characters to novelists, but Robinson seems to be increasingly advocating terrorism in his books and it's getting really off-putting.

There's an internally consistent moral argument that terrorism is warranted in this situation eg Malm's "How to Blow Up a Pipeline." The basic argument is that peaceful protest is effective when it is an alternative to a more militant and disruptive extremist movement with the same goals. You negotiate with the peaceful side so the violent side doesn't tear your shit down. When there is no extremist movement, you rea…

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Post by sbierwagen »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #53
sitic wrote: post #14

Reminds me that I should finish reading The Ministry for the Future by Kim Stanley Robinson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_for_the_Future

I read it and I thought it was pretty dumb. Much much too optimistic for my understanding of the situation. My main gripe with it was that it leaves the reader thinking that climate change can be combatted with sensibility and reason. The idea that our global elites will come to their senses if we shove a few incidents in front of their faces goes against the fundamental narcissistic arc western civilization is curre…

>It's civilization is ascending while western white European culture is obviously descending.

China's had a below-replacement birthrate since 1991. It's TFR was 1.7 last year, 132nd in the world, putting it next to demographic powerhouses like Latvia and Denmark.

This is an ascendant civilization?

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