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Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Appreciate the honest description of Scott’s brutal experience with heightism - which at my 5’10” is still palpably present, so I cannot imagine what he dealt with beyond what was shared here - but the whole tone of the article is so relentlessly promotional, it comes off like the most manipulative content marketing. I feel like it wants to prime me for the experience of having the surgery by walking me through it in acute detail.

“Gosh, it’s tough being born outside the cultural norm. Why do all that coping when you could just pay this social media personality to make it all better? So get off those too-close-to-the-ground tooshes and work it, sweet cheeks! Some of us need to capitalise on your insecurities and people’s worst innate tendencies for a living.”

Not one remark to the effect that, “Hey, heightism is in the same class as racism, sexism, ableism and other unfashionable isms - so all the good folks who can’t afford the surgery, can enjoy the dignity of some cultural assurance that you are the victims of atavistic shitfuckery from people with this objectively bad belief.”

Indeed, why do the work of being a better person by giving folks shorter than ourselves the same dignity we’d demand of someone much taller… there’s a metaphor for some other contemporary macro issues… and, more generally, leaving behind this infantile judgment of others by heredity.

In a for-profit healthcare context with extreme built-in distributional inequities, I cannot see this usage as equivalent to evening up mismatched limb lengths.

Dating preference is one thing - our sexual attraction parameters are mostly out of hands - but to discredit an experienced adult human and treat them as a child on the basis of their height or weight or muscularity or whatever, then, god forbid, using that to score points on that person (e.g. by mocking them at work) is egregious and should earn you social, if not legal, censure.

It’s wrong to mock a woman for her figure, including her height, and the converse is true of a man. And it’s wrong to paywall cultural acceptability behind expensive surgeries - further interlinking height with the perceptions of health and wealth in the culture - rather than doing the collective emotional work of sincere introspection to change habitual heightism.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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> The stereotype that women barely ever date "below" them, in wealth, height, status, remains true. Your character still matters, but only after checking the above boxes. Men are selected by utility, with disastrous consequences for those that get left behind, as there's no mercy for them. You can't explain the harsh "be 6' or keep moving" requirement or the open ridiculing of short men on evolutionary selection alon…

Fair enough, I'd then rephrase that women generally attempt to select at equal or higher level (in wealth, status, strength) and will at times settle for the closest match to that ambition. Men are far more lax in their criteria. We could just accept that as "the way it is", but modern developments in this dynamic create horrendous imbalances. There was an excellent article about it a while ago, but I don't have the…

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We are on a website filled to the brim of people using their abnormal intellects to excel beyond the vast majority of society and amass wealth. I'd go so far as to say that double digits of posters here are part of the 1%. Stop whining about a superficial perceived inferiority that has no real impact on your ability to survive and thrive, and use your galaxy brains to figure out how the mating game works. I'm relativ…

Could you please give more details so that frustrated youngsters like me can learn from your experience. What did you do to understand? And what are your conclusions?

First caveating with the statement: this is all generalization, and there are always exceptions. I'm speaking about stereotypical straight cis-gender relationships here.

* what you want and what women want out of a relationship are in many ways very different

* On a related note, what women find attractive is very different from what men find attractive.

* Do not project your ideas of what you are attracted to onto women's likes, especially when it comes to physical characteristics

* Confidence, presence, and humor will get you past 90% of the crowd

* Spend some effort on style and clothing. If you don't want to be stylish, then at least be unique.

* Recognize that women are also horny and want sex as much as men. The difference is the approach and the ritual around getting there. You'll need to understand what turns a women off during this "dance", e.g. being too explicit about it at the wrong time.

* Do not get so easily dejected by rejection. Build up a thick skin and laugh it off.

* Regularly inject yourself into conversations with women, and when you find a common interest, don't hesitate to take advantage of that and deepen the conversation and eventually schedule something with them.

* Understand what the signs are of someone who is attracted to you, e.g. playing with hair, teasing, other body language. Once these are noticable you can go in for a kiss or an invitation back home.

* Recognize that there are effectively infinite women out there, and each one is going to have different history that shaped their preferences, either an earlier boyfriend or crush or favored celebrity or whatever, and some percentage of them will have preferences that overlap with you and give you an advantage. Even if it's something you think is unattractive, not everyone agrees. So don't give up.

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>Except that in dating, women overwhelmingly prefer men over 6', and very small differences like 5'7 vs 5'9 double or triple the matches in online dating sites. This is why you shouldn't put height in your dating profile, so you filter out a bunch of superficial people.

Isn’t that a reason for putting in height if you’re short? You could even lie and pretend to be shorter and filter out even more superficial people.

There’s definitely a lot of stories were person A recounts their meeting person B by saying “I almost didn’t meet your [father|mother] if it hadn’t been for…” where the meeting was almost blocked by some arbitrary prejudicial filter due yo inexperience. I think it can work to your advantage as a filter but given how poorly online dating works for anything but matching on superficialities you might practically end up filtering out everyone.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Lucky for short people, height is a lot less of a factor in modern society. Wealth is a much bigger factor. And what's the best path to wealth? Software . Even more lucky for them, software and internet doesn't care about height.

There was a study on online dating habits that said that even someone who was 5'8 would need to earn ~138k more than the same 6'0 person to be considered equivalent, controlling for everything else [1]. Of course it is just one study and I havent looked into it fully but nonetheless. [1] https://home.uchicago.edu/~hortacsu/onlinedating.pdf table 5.5

Online dating sucks because of its emphasis on quick and easily verifiable external traits. The mitigation is to avoid it.

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post #415

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I'm a multimillionaire and every single woman I've dated has said, "I'm glad I took a chance on you even though you're so short." I'm 5'6". Women filter on height the same way that men filter on weight & age. If you don't pass that first filter, it doesn't matter what your advantages are.

I used to go out with a friend of mine, he's a multiple business owner, a miltimillionarie since he was 25, blonde, blue eyes, etc. Also he's very social, he was always the 'soul of the party' etc. Me, at that time I had a 10 years old car, but I'm 5'9 and he's 5'6. I always was the one that got the phone numbers, always.

Well chroma is giving an anecdote not necessarily how about how women choose him despite being short, but about the women who did end up choosing him realizing that height ended up being an irrelevant factor given his other qualities.

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post #745

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You are talking about “a patriarchy”, they are talking about “the patriarchy”. In other words this particular one we are living in with it’s built in assumed gender roles.

I understand, I am asking why the gender roles being "built in" is exclusive to patriarchy. Suppose we replace patriarchy with matriarchy. Are there no built in assumptions about gender and everyone treats each other nicely?

I’m not familiar with matriarchal societies. I aspire to a society where gender expression is independent from societal roles.

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>there aren't really downsides to short stature in modern life It even have several health benefits. Except that in dating, women overwhelmingly prefer men over 6', and very small differences like 5'7 vs 5'9 double or triple the matches in online dating sites. If we are talking about 5'6 vs 6'0 the difference is ridiculous, like over 200X more matches. Women even divorce short men at double the rate of tall men. Thos…

I'm somewhere between 5' 7" and 5' 8". I've experienced the "filter" issue with online dating, but my conclusions are entirely different. I really don't mind it, in fact I appreciate it. Anyone who would filter me out over something as shallow as height would undoubtedly be an extraordinarily poor match for me. I prefer quality over quantity. As to the "die alone" thing - that seems a bit grim. I'm 46, since age 14 w…

The problem with this mindset is that it sort of punishes woman for a perception thrust upon them since childhood. If you think its possible to meet some of these woman and convince them to say “I’m glad I took a chance despite your short stature because it turned out I don’t mind it at all” then I think it’s worthwhile to “help them see the light.” Plus, since this is a societal problem primarily it means you’d also be filtering out a lot of woman simply for the fault of having not enough experience in dating.

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post #744

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If everyone responded to content they found unwelcome with hostility and insults, the site would be nothing but a shouting match. That's why there are tools that remove unwelcome content without adding more, like downvoting and flagging.

I can't downvote or flag, and I don't really care to moderate my language. So I'll use the tools I'm given I guess? Sad to see so much focus on a discussion of moderation, rather than the sexism and bigotry I thought was so evident. So tell me, what do you think? Is shortness really that much an impediment in the dating game? And what is the solution, if that's the case?

Is it also sexist when women complain about being judged/mocked/disrespected for their weight?

The details are different for men and women but both can experience similar problems. Really the dividing line here isn't between men and women; it's between privileged and disadvantaged.

I guess it's called "body shaming" now, and it's one of the only remaining socially acceptable prejudices. There may not be a solution, but harassing people for talking about how painful it can be isn't helpful.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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no one is comparing the historical treatment of short people to slaves; they are comparing how preference for some unchangeable attributes are somehow acceptable but preference for others are not. you are forcing additional context where there is none.

That's just untrue. The claim is that there is "really no difference" between discriminating against Blacks and short people. There are several important differences, and they relate directly to the historical treatment of Black people. You are arguing in bad faith, just like the OP.

There is no difference in the sense that if you can root out the act of discrimination and prejudice here in this instance then you can root it out in other instances (racial discrimination, sexual orientation discrimination) because as others point out they all have the same cause: prejudicial biases based on immutable (and irrelevant to whatever is causing the bias) characteristics.

This is in essence why MLK said that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, because injustice is all the same.

We don’t fight racism just because we owe black people. We fight it because it’s fundamentally wrong, and not because black people just happened to have suffered a lot.

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