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Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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I wondered how someone so hostile could survive moderation here, so I looked at your comment history. It seems like your hostility started just 10 days ago, when you started posting things like: > What the fuck kind of misanthropic sociopath are you? > How disconnected from reality do you have to be for me to have to make this comparison explicit??? > Because you probably can't do anything other than voice your usele…

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Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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I wondered how someone so hostile could survive moderation here, so I looked at your comment history. It seems like your hostility started just 10 days ago, when you started posting things like: > What the fuck kind of misanthropic sociopath are you? > How disconnected from reality do you have to be for me to have to make this comparison explicit??? > Because you probably can't do anything other than voice your usele…

> I wondered how someone so hostile could survive moderation here

Not related to GP, but check out any front page political thread to see how hostility and toxicity evade moderation. There are tricks you can use to effectively ad-hominem someone without making it explicit and instantly flagged to the ground.

This for example, was a pretty popular method on some of the recent Elon Musk threads: https://www.ultius.com/glossary/literature/rhetorical-device...

Except instead of:

> The main purpose of the hypophora is to enable the speaker to anticipate the listeners' concerns and then address them within the context of his own speech.

You utilize it to discredit any further argument by asking a question regarding someone’s reasons or motive and instantly shoot them down with something negative that makes their argument look shoddy.

Also in general deep threads tend to hide hostility for a bit, especially if all sides are engaged. I’ve seen very deep threads that became nothing but different groups souring each other on here once. I imagine it gets harder to moderate when everyone is fighting and use user moderation is weakened.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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I’m not here to deny that short men face challenges, the same way that anyone with any characteristic deemed negative by the prevailing dating culture faces challenges (plenty of examples to choose from - age, weight, ethnicity, wealth, disability, education, class, caste, language). I am here, though, to throw cold water on the ridiculous borderline-incel hot takes from men here who have drawn a blank on dating site…

There are some good points here (stop listening to uptight young women), but you ruin it completely by essentially ending it with a less condescending version of "have sex incel", effectively making the entire comment a very lengthy filler until that point. But yes women aren't monotone, but that's not what these men are complaining about, it's the same complaint you may face as a female but instead it might be your…

The comments above are focusing on dating (and in particular, on dating sites), but that's not really what the article is about. The people in the article have complaints beyond dating:

> colleagues constantly made remarks about his stature. “I was not treated with respect,” Scott told me. “At every single workplace I’ve been in, there've been several situations where people commented on my height to discredit me entirely as a person.”

> For Scott, demeaning comments about height are everywhere — whether in his personal life or in pop culture. He singled out TikTok particularly, where jokes about men’s height are rampant.

> I asked Westrich to describe the most common experiences that patients shared with her. “One [complaint] I hear quite often is ‘I don’t get the same respect as others. I’ve accomplished so much and I’m still often treated like a child.’”

> ... “I would still go on the internet and see ‘Men below this height shouldn’t have rights.’”

People should of course be free to date who they want, but not to harass, mock, demean, or disrespect people for being short.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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I wondered how someone so hostile could survive moderation here, so I looked at your comment history. It seems like your hostility started just 10 days ago, when you started posting things like: > What the fuck kind of misanthropic sociopath are you? > How disconnected from reality do you have to be for me to have to make this comparison explicit??? > Because you probably can't do anything other than voice your usele…

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> It gives me quite a lot of catharsis to call an idiot, an idiot.

I don't think Hacker News is meant to be a place where people find catharsis by calling other people idiots. Then again it's not my site; perhaps dang will indeed allow it.

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> Saying that this group is self-reinforcing would imply that homosexuals gathering online to talk and confide are similarly self-reinforcing. It doesn’t imply that at all. Sexual attraction isn’t reinforced by being around a given orientation. Go hang out with gay people exclusively for a few weeks and let me know if you find yourself attracted to the same sex.

> Sexual attraction isn’t reinforced by being around a given orientation. exactly - and i'm saying that incels aren't self-reinforcing either.

I absolutely disagree. How do you support that conclusion?

What I’ve heard from incels makes it easy to understand why women would be uninterested. That worldview and subsequent outcome would seem to be reinforced by spending lots of time with people who reinforce the negativity.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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> As if women are a monolithic bloc conspiring against your genes. As if women are spherical horses acting out the simple laws of your evolutionary psychology This is a borderline strawman. Such conclusions are based on population level trends. And yes, just like any other sexually dimorphic species, there quite literally is a "conspiracy" against undesirable genes, though it isn't necessarily conscious or absolute.…

Is there also a "conspiracy" against overweight women? Black women? Women with disabilities? These groups also get lower than average messages and responses.

Both short men and overweight women get the short end of the stick in their life. Rather than dragging this into a gender war, perhaps we should have more compassion to unattractive people (both men and women).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2016/03/09/short-m...

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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It's really quite simple a lot of men just want to be able to experiment sexually before they settle down. A lot of women do too. The difference is for women this is easily available in the dating world.. for men.. especially short men.. it's a distant fantasy. If these needs were met they would harbor no resentment towards women.

I honestly think a lot of men just don't like women, or at least don't respect them. Maybe it's because I was exposed to a lot of sexism in my CS undergrad (and even some jobs I've had), but it really does seem like some men think of women as inferior.

Maybe because it's a male dominated field, you'd probably find the same bias against men in the field of child care for example.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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I wondered how someone so hostile could survive moderation here, so I looked at your comment history. It seems like your hostility started just 10 days ago, when you started posting things like: > What the fuck kind of misanthropic sociopath are you? > How disconnected from reality do you have to be for me to have to make this comparison explicit??? > Because you probably can't do anything other than voice your usele…

> I wondered how someone so hostile could survive moderation here Not related to GP, but check out any front page political thread to see how hostility and toxicity evade moderation. There are tricks you can use to effectively ad-hominem someone without making it explicit and instantly flagged to the ground. This for example, was a pretty popular method on some of the recent Elon Musk threads: https://www.ultius.com/…

I mean... in my case, there wasn't really much of an argument. I guess it was "rich people are better than poor people," which, I do want to discredit, but also don't want to legitimize.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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> I wondered how someone so hostile could survive moderation here Not related to GP, but check out any front page political thread to see how hostility and toxicity evade moderation. There are tricks you can use to effectively ad-hominem someone without making it explicit and instantly flagged to the ground. This for example, was a pretty popular method on some of the recent Elon Musk threads: https://www.ultius.com/…

I mean... in my case, there wasn't really much of an argument. I guess it was "rich people are better than poor people," which, I do want to discredit, but also don't want to legitimize.

Let's discuss this thread. You aren't discussing in good faith when you reduce the complaints in the article (paraphrasing): "I want to be respected at work and not be mocked on social media" to (exact quote): "Men complaining about women should be ridiculed and will always earn my condescension".

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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I'm starting to think that those "20% of the men get 80% of the women" statistics are actually a property of dating apps rather than the real world. When you think about the food industry it is convenient as hell but it is also bad for you over the long term. Dating apps are just like that. If you are lucky and you find someone good for you. If you stick around too long you are discovering the terrible business model…

wasn't there some research where women only rated top 20% men as attractive while men had a wider range. If that's actually true then dating apps are just magnifying whats already there and aren't the cause of the phenomenon.

Pretty sure that research was done by one of the said dating app companies. OKCupid?
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