Live data from Hacker News

Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

buzzfeednews.com

651–660 of 817 posts

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

#651

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The average here is 1,75 so my friend is shorter. My point is, it doesn't matter that much. It matters, sadly, but not to the point where you can't find women that are attracted to you.

Women don't go for average, they go for 20% top percentile or higher. That's the Pareto principle and most mammals follow the same rule.

Even if you assume temporal polygamy (serial marriages), I would consider an individual with one woman for 20 years to be more successful than one with 5 women 10 years each.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

#652
post #596

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are on a website filled to the brim of people using their abnormal intellects to excel beyond the vast majority of society and amass wealth. I'd go so far as to say that double digits of posters here are part of the 1%. Stop whining about a superficial perceived inferiority that has no real impact on your ability to survive and thrive, and use your galaxy brains to figure out how the mating game works. I'm relativ…

Could you please give more details so that frustrated youngsters like me can learn from your experience. What did you do to understand? And what are your conclusions?

This is me spitballing. Take with salt.

Men start off mostly worthless by default from a dating perspective, and gain attractiveness as they gain money and status. So, make money and gain prestige. Pretty-boys who peak in high school are the exception.

Women peak in physical attractiveness to men as soon as they mature. Emotional maturity plays a role in attractiveness, and that generally improves over time, so peak overall attractiveness for your average woman is probably in her 20s. So, ignore women in your 20s and make lots of money, and then, when you're 30 and rich, marry a 20-year old.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

#653

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Courage makes you taller.

But that's still a fucked-up thing to say - as if being taller is some kind of better thing and his courage makes him taller?

Thing is though that people present as shorter or taller than they are based on posture, and it's not just people, all mammals do it.

There's a saying in English when someone needs to show bravery: "chin up".

What do you think it means, other than "stand straight and tall"?

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

#654
post #592

I’m not here to deny that short men face challenges, the same way that anyone with any characteristic deemed negative by the prevailing dating culture faces challenges (plenty of examples to choose from - age, weight, ethnicity, wealth, disability, education, class, caste, language). I am here, though, to throw cold water on the ridiculous borderline-incel hot takes from men here who have drawn a blank on dating site…

> I didn’t read all the comments but didn’t spot a single one from anyone female.

To be honest I only skimmed the article because there was so much pain and unkindness in it that I didn’t want to carefully read the whole thing.

More broadly, I tend to stay out of these threads. The first of its kind that I read on HN (about divorce, I think) shocked me a little. I left with a feeling that some people commenting both loathed women and really wanted female attention. It was strange and uncomfortable. It was also quite sad because I realised that someone behaving like that probably would struggle to get dates, because it would scare the women they want to date, and that would feed into the feeling of anger. So now I tend to avoid these threads.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

#655

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a remarkably insensitive and dismissive take on someone providing primary sources to bolster their case.

Parent has a point. You can find any manner of horrible on twitter, especially if you reach back far enough. Twitter is not a "primary source" in the wikipedia sense.

You're right: the quotes do a shit job of illustrating thangalin's point, because you can find anyone supporting anything on Twitter. Regardless, "Stop basing your entire worldview on what 20 women said on twitter.com in 2014" is still an unnecessarily rude way to make that point.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

#656
post #592

I’m not here to deny that short men face challenges, the same way that anyone with any characteristic deemed negative by the prevailing dating culture faces challenges (plenty of examples to choose from - age, weight, ethnicity, wealth, disability, education, class, caste, language). I am here, though, to throw cold water on the ridiculous borderline-incel hot takes from men here who have drawn a blank on dating site…

> As if women are a monolithic bloc conspiring against your genes. As if women are spherical horses acting out the simple laws of your evolutionary psychology

This is a borderline strawman. Such conclusions are based on population level trends. And yes, just like any other sexually dimorphic species, there quite literally is a "conspiracy" against undesirable genes, though it isn't necessarily conscious or absolute.

I think post feminism people generally are unwilling to acknowledge that femininity can be just toxic as masculinity in its own ways, so they deny the absolute cruelty that women can collectively and inadvertently impose on less desirable men. Perhaps norms which enforce monogamy are a compromise which optimizes for overall happiness and societal function, as an alternative to legions of demotivated and disaffected young men in a hypergamist society.

>My advice to y’all is to get out of the sausage factory and start meeting some people in real life.

Did it ever occur to you that these observations might be coming from short guys who have experienced this negative selection pressure in real life? It's not like it's limited to dating, we all know about the research into the correlation between stature and salary, position, and other metrics of success; are short guys just not trying hard enough in their professional lives too?

Think of it like microagressions, except there's no one to advocate for you, and your immutable trait is objectively, defensibly negative, unlike racial/sexual discrimination. I would bet that short guys in (especially multicultural?) societies with a wide height variance are severely underrepresented in social settings like bars, because the soft stigma is always there.

Reality is unfair. Have some compassion.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

#658
post #592

I’m not here to deny that short men face challenges, the same way that anyone with any characteristic deemed negative by the prevailing dating culture faces challenges (plenty of examples to choose from - age, weight, ethnicity, wealth, disability, education, class, caste, language). I am here, though, to throw cold water on the ridiculous borderline-incel hot takes from men here who have drawn a blank on dating site…

> I didn’t read all the comments but didn’t spot a single one from anyone female. To be honest I only skimmed the article because there was so much pain and unkindness in it that I didn’t want to carefully read the whole thing. More broadly, I tend to stay out of these threads. The first of its kind that I read on HN (about divorce, I think) shocked me a little. I left with a feeling that some people commenting both…

A scary amount of men just don't think of women as people.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

#659

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IME Dating apps are a terrible way to meet women. All they have to go off are a few pictures and some numerical stats - and it's a sausage fest, the odds are stacked way against you. Hang out with people IRL.

Dating apps are a way to gain insight into psychology. If you don't use dating apps, the preferences remain.

[deleted]

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

#660

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This reads like pure cope from a short guy. I don't see how one can dictate to others what they should find attractive. That's not how it works. No one is dictating anything about attractiveness , and you really shouldn't be trying to marginalize my arguments on the ground that I might be short. It really has no relevancy here. I wasn't talking about dating and people's dating preferences. I was referring specially…

>the winners will be those that are able to make a decision beyond superficial factors You're just inverting reality now. "The winners of dating are those that pick partners with the least desirable physical traits". If there's two men with identical personalities, but one is 6'5 and muscular and the other is 4'2 and 300lbs what exactly would a woman be "winning" by going with the second man?

To be charitable to the GP, you could imagine that physical indicators that correlated/anticorrelated with success in the ancestral environment no longer did today, such that if you were picking between the 6'5 and 4'2 guys, the 4'2 guy has a highler likelihood of being a tech millionaire/programmer and resistant to microplastic-based infertility, and thus can provide/reproduce better than the 6'5 guy. I.e. the average woman's attractions aren't calibrated to the modern environment, much how most other instincts aren't calibrated to the modern environment.

So, over time, the rare woman who prefers short obese kings would outcompete the rest. I don't think this particular example is the case, but I do think something like this dynamic is happening. (In the other direction, actually.)

Post reply on HN