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Post by armchairhacker »

fleddr wrote: post #134

"a 2006 study on online dating found that a man who is 5'6'' needs an additional $175,000 to be as desirable as a man who is approximately 6' tall and only makes $62,500 a year." I guess I appreciate the brutal honesty. Wealth and height. And not to forget social status, as one woman in the linked article explained how she broke up with a short guy because of what others (might) think of it. Not a word is wasted on a…

> online dating

That’s the problem. Online dating is a shitshow.

For every 1 match a man gets, the average women gets somewhere around 150 matches*. You simply can’t evaluate on anything but looks and basic surface-level traits (how each person responds to 3 random prompts).

How many short men interact with women regularly in-person and still have trouble getting dates?

* Seriously, google it. The ratio of accounts is around 10 men per woman, but lots of men swipe everyone and some men buy unlimited swipes, which is how it’s this bad. The average man gets something like 4 matches per week, while the average woman gets hundreds.

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Post by megous »

ch4s3 wrote: post #138
throwaway284534 wrote: post #122

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As someone who got a nose job, I’ve heard this line too many times to count. It seems that people want to believe the only reason I would remove the hump on my nose is because of society’s beauty standards. I’m not allowed to simply not like it. Why this same logic doesn’t apply to hair dye or clothing, I’ll never know. Y’know what’s funny too? I’ve never once met someone who both admired big noses and chose to incre…

Indeed, the basic promise of our social order is individual autonomy and self ownership. Body modification is an exercise is self ownership.

Obvioulsy it is, unless someone else ties you up and forces the surgery on you.

What most commenters talk about here is a nuance in why person decides to have a surgery, though.

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Post by guskel »

ensan wrote: post #272
aortega wrote: post #99

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>there aren't really downsides to short stature in modern life It even have several health benefits. Except that in dating, women overwhelmingly prefer men over 6', and very small differences like 5'7 vs 5'9 double or triple the matches in online dating sites. If we are talking about 5'6 vs 6'0 the difference is ridiculous, like over 200X more matches. Women even divorce short men at double the rate of tall men. Thos…

"Basically this means that in modern dating, if you are short, you are very likely to die alone and this trend will only get worse in the future." You're being overly dramatic and don't have any to support your claim. It is not really necessary to date dozens of women before getting married. Dating many women in the first place is only the norm in a few western countries. Also, I believe the dating apps are mostly us…

Something like 50% of new couples are formed from meeting online.

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Post by scotty79 »

throwaway515 wrote: post #168
aortega wrote: post #99

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>there aren't really downsides to short stature in modern life It even have several health benefits. Except that in dating, women overwhelmingly prefer men over 6', and very small differences like 5'7 vs 5'9 double or triple the matches in online dating sites. If we are talking about 5'6 vs 6'0 the difference is ridiculous, like over 200X more matches. Women even divorce short men at double the rate of tall men. Thos…

> Basically this means that in modern dating, if you are short, you are very likely to die alone and this trend will only get worse in the future. I'm 5'6, and after almost 15 years of dating sites to modern dating apps, I have indeed accepted that yes, I will very likely die alone. My therapist has even half-seriously suggested I try lying about my height, and qualms aside, from the studies I've read, any plausible-…

Move to a country where they don't count height in feet. Suddenly magic number 6 disappears and everything gets way fuzzier.

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Post by oynqr »

Gigachad wrote: post #322
Crabber wrote: post #255

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Stop basing your entire worldview on what 20 women said on twitter.com in 2014

This kind of stuff is pretty widespread. One of the major dating sites published a stat showing woman ranked 80% of men as below average attractiveness while men ranked 50% of woman as bellow average. They had to pull the post because it was explosive. I assume no tech company will ever post stats on the data they have showing some kind of meaningful social observation again.

That was OKCupid, why they actually published it is beyond me.

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Post by jl6 »

darkmarmot wrote: post #355
throw__away7391 wrote: post #194

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I'm a tad over 6' but girls are so used to guys lying about their hight that they usually say I'm 6'2". On multiple occasions I've had my date insist over my objection that I must be taller than that. It's not a stretch for me to imagine that widespread lying by men about their hight has actually collectively made the problem worse for men, e.g. women insisting on 6 feet because they've dating 5'10" guys claiming to…

So awkward. I'm just over 6'2" -- and at a recent family reunion had to deal with everyone saying I must be at _least_ 6'4". Because I was much taller than the other 6' guys there... and if I dispute it too vociferously, it's almost an attack on all the guys around me who are lying about their height. It seems there's a 2 or 3 inch bump across the board.

> there's a 2 or 3 inch bump across the board

You’ve discovered a new unit of measurement - the “dating inch”. Applicable not just to height.

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Post by LouisSayers »

chrischen wrote: post #35

> “Don’t be so sure of yourself, short man!” The problem is that it's still socially acceptable to see short stature as some objective faux-pas. There's really no difference between a person proudly declaring they only like "white" people and a person declaring they only like "tall" people. If the guy said "Don't be so sure of yourself, black man" maybe it would have been acceptable in the 1920s, but it surely isn't…

There's a kind of funny thing here that people see being short as a kind of deficiency.

I'm about 5"8, and am actually really happy with my height - it's perfect for the types of sports I do, I fit quite nicely on an airplane, and have no problem if I were to drive a smaller car.

I imagine for taller people those things could be a hassle, that flying would be a real pain, that they might look silly on a motorbike / skateboard, and coule develop back problems from bending down.

When it comes to dating, online dating apps suck in general, but honestly I've never felt like I've missed out. People don't even seem to truly know what they find attractive until they have someone placed in front of them. I've even had this experience myself where I've found a super tall girl attractive when I'd typically go for the shorties.

It's sad that people feel the need to do these operations. Honestly, I feel they could achieve a better outcome (feeling confident / adequate) by doing some martial arts and hitting the gym.

As others have mentioned it also depends where you live. The only time I truly felt short was in Amsterdam where it felt like the local bars were packed full of giants lol. I Thailand and India I've had the opposite experience.

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Post by guskel »

withinboredom wrote: post #309
FooBarWidget wrote: post #173

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Well ok but all the relationship skills in the world can't help you if you can't get past that initial filter.

Confidence gets you past any initial filter (not to be confused with arrogance or assertiveness — be respectful). Once you get serious, it’s the bigger filters you need to worry about IME. My then new girlfriend’s friend asked me out of nowhere: “what’s a derivative?” And my answer was “investing or calculus?” Apparently that was a filter for my wife when she dated. She wanted smart men who weren’t just faking it, wo…

Confidence won’t help if you aren’t meeting the other party’s attractiveness threshold.

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Post by guskel »

scythe wrote: post #331
reverend_gonzo wrote: post #155

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Sounds like a forever aloner. I know multiple tall, classically good looking men who, while they can can get dates, can not maintain them because they have zero relationship skills, and I know just as many short men who have a relationship whenever they want. While height might be an early filter, it is by no means the only source of attraction. Men would do well to build the rest of their personalities to stand them…

>Men would do well to build the rest of their personalities to stand themselves out rather than complain about something they have no control over. Are you saying that he's missing out on lots of opportunities for self-improvement in the two minutes or less it took to write that comment? It's not wrong for people to complain about things that negatively affect them, and it's not mutually exclusive with trying to fix…

Yes, there’s this kind of hidden assumption that these men aren’t trying, that they haven’t done every obvious thing already.
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