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Post by rdiddly »

rdiddly wrote: post #287
aortega wrote: post #99

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>there aren't really downsides to short stature in modern life It even have several health benefits. Except that in dating, women overwhelmingly prefer men over 6', and very small differences like 5'7 vs 5'9 double or triple the matches in online dating sites. If we are talking about 5'6 vs 6'0 the difference is ridiculous, like over 200X more matches. Women even divorce short men at double the rate of tall men. Thos…

Pep talk: Everybody dies alone. Sorry, not very "peppy" perhaps. All right, how about this: Quantity of women (i.e. numbers who prefer tall guys on some app) is not the same as quality of women. It's kind of the opposite in fact, if humanity is anything like a bell curve. The mainstream, with its sheer numbers, is full of dullards. The most blindingly, boringly average people, from essentially the center of the gene…

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Post by aortega »

Darmody wrote: post #341
ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #320

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> the shorter ones (around 1,73m) Ahem, that's almost exactly the average height for a male in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_human_height_by_countr...

The average here is 1,75 so my friend is shorter. My point is, it doesn't matter that much. It matters, sadly, but not to the point where you can't find women that are attracted to you.

Women don't go for average, they go for 20% top percentile or higher. That's the Pareto principle and most mammals follow the same rule.

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Post by RickJWagner »

Well, I bumped into a man who'd been a boxer, (boxer)

Asked him what had been his greatest night.

He looked into the corners of his mem'ry, (mem'ry)

Searching for a picture of the fight.

But he said he always had a feeling

That he lacked a little extra height. (could have used a little extra height)

- Paul McCartney, 'Average Person'

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by thaumasiotes »

qayxc wrote: post #334
thaumasiotes wrote: post #63

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> In Japan, it used to be a necessity for women to use extremely tight shoes in order to contain feet growth You've confused Japan with China.

> You've confused Japan with China. I think not: https://heianjapanweb.wordpress.com/2016/10/17/blog-post-tit...

How about a source that isn't just random spam on the internet?

Or even random spam that claims to have some evidence of the practice occurring in Japan?

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Post by astrange »

Crabber wrote: post #379
astrange wrote: post #297

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That’s not dysgenic. If you’re in an environment and supplements are available and you function best with them, that’s just a food source you’re adapted to. I don’t go around calling people poorly adapted for needing oxygen and vitamin C.

Becoming reliant on additional external resources to survive is objectively backwards evolution. You brought up oxygen reliance as a silly point but you're actually right. Humans relying on oxygen actually isn't that great, we can't go into space or underwater (without external support) and we get out of breath when exercising. A group of humans that evolved to not need oxygen at all would be a great genetic improvem…

What anaerobic organisms have you been outcompeted by recently?

I believe the main evolutionary advantage of your anaerobic humans is that they're imaginary, so they don't have tradeoffs, which definitely helps if you want to add features.

I think I'd prefer to be able to detect low O2 instead of instantly passing out; that'd probably be good enough.

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Post by stickfigure »

chrisseaton wrote: post #377
stickfigure wrote: post #375

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Would it be better if I said: Courage makes you bigger (admittedly it's phrased better that way because it's more indirect, but now we're analyzing glib four-word jokes)

That's just referring to another physical property that people can't control and may be sensitive about. How about just don't comment on anyone's physical appearance, and stick to their actions and personality?

To be honest... no, we can't. You're asking too much.

I mean if we're going to take this to its logical extreme, why should personality be fair judgement? Some people have grating personalities and are annoying to be around, maybe they were born that way. Actions? Maybe Putin genuinely believes that Nazis are oppressing Russians in Ukraine. If he did, would that make it excusable?

How about we just be nice to each other? That doesn't seem a tall ask. Don't make mean jokes about short people! But that doesn't mean we can't acknowledge that this social phenomenon in language or make jokes that aren't mean.

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Post by bee_rider »

darkmarmot wrote: post #355
throw__away7391 wrote: post #194

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I'm a tad over 6' but girls are so used to guys lying about their hight that they usually say I'm 6'2". On multiple occasions I've had my date insist over my objection that I must be taller than that. It's not a stretch for me to imagine that widespread lying by men about their hight has actually collectively made the problem worse for men, e.g. women insisting on 6 feet because they've dating 5'10" guys claiming to…

So awkward. I'm just over 6'2" -- and at a recent family reunion had to deal with everyone saying I must be at _least_ 6'4". Because I was much taller than the other 6' guys there... and if I dispute it too vociferously, it's almost an attack on all the guys around me who are lying about their height. It seems there's a 2 or 3 inch bump across the board.

I've had almost this exact thing happen to me a couple times. 5'11,'' so it is impossible for me to state my height without calling out 6' guys who are shorter than me.

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Post by ycombobreaker »

fleddr wrote: post #300
didibus wrote: post #208

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I don't know if that's the issue people are bringing. I think people are talking about the active derogatory and communicated bias towards shorter men. Not being attracted to short men and not wanting to reproduce with them is a personal thing. But going on record ridiculing them, saying bad things about them, mocking their height, that's not okay, and it's true that if it was done about their race it would be frowne…

"But going on record ridiculing them, saying bad things about them, mocking their height, that's not okay, and it's true that if it was done about their race it would be frowned upon, but seems to be acceptable for height." I fully agree, and you can extend that to men being bald, and many other bodily aspects. I think in particular contexts it's fine to make the occasional joke but that's entirely different from mak…

There are a LOT of hair restoration ads in a particular commute path near me. Like it's a self-referential trope. I used to thing it was just funny. But then, I thought a bit about how a series of similar ads about breast augmentation would be met with criticism of body shaming. It's just... socially acceptable to handle male pattern baldness this way, I guess. It feels pretty gross when you pick it apart that way.

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Post by joshuamorton »

lupire wrote: post #236
omginternets wrote: post #114

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>You could make the argument that Black people have suffered more at the hands of society, but the injustice of both are in the same class: prejudice. Again, this is exactly what I am saying. I am also saying that you go further, and engage in an intellectual slight-of-hand. This happens precisely when you say "there's really no difference [...]". Yes there is. There are several, important differences that render irr…

What you are failing to understand that there can be "no difference" between doing things, yet there is a large difference when one of them is done a lot more and more intensely than the other. That's the difference between anti-short and anti-Black, not the anti-ness itself.

"There's no difference between anti-shortness and anti-Blackness, except the intensity and commonality" is certainly a statement, its I guess correct in the tautological sense that "X and Y are not different if you exclude all the differences between them", but it's also not a useful statement at that point.

I'd ask in what way the point you're trying to make is useful, either analytically or rhetorically. I don't see how it is offhand.

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Post by scythe »

reverend_gonzo wrote: post #368
scythe wrote: post #331

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>Men would do well to build the rest of their personalities to stand themselves out rather than complain about something they have no control over. Are you saying that he's missing out on lots of opportunities for self-improvement in the two minutes or less it took to write that comment? It's not wrong for people to complain about things that negatively affect them, and it's not mutually exclusive with trying to fix…

If you are complaining about anything, then yes, that energy is better spent elsewhere.

>If you are complaining about anything, then yes, that energy is better spent elsewhere.

This is a remarkably unhealthy attitude, and callous to boot.

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