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Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by omginternets » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 10:51 PM UTC

xvector wrote: post #182

omginternets wrote: post #128

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That's just untrue. The claim is that there is "really no difference" between discriminating against Blacks and short people. There are several important differences, and they relate directly to the historical treatment of Black people. You are arguing in bad faith, just like the OP.

> You are arguing in bad faith, just like the OP. Can we keep discussion civil? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html - "Assume good faith." > There are several important differences, Historically. But if the historical context of slavery did not exist, it would still be just as unacceptable to treat Black individuals differently. In essence, historical context is largely irrelevant to whether an action is…

I believe I am being civil. I also think bad faith can be demonstrated, and that it has been.

>As such, treating Black individuals differently is not more or less wrong than treating short individuals differently.

Again, as I have mentioned repeatedly, we agree on this point. Where we disagree is in the assertion that there is "no difference" in effect, precisely because of the historical context.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by buran77 » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 10:51 PM UTC

chrischen wrote: post #137

aortega wrote: post #126

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I think the stats you are referencing about humans getting taller are from improvements in childhood nutrition. I don't think genetically we've been selecting for taller people, as that is harder to conclude (plus, even if woman select for taller men, men do not necessarily select for taller woman, and woman are part of this too let's not forget). > Women usually marry the millionaire, but have sex with the pool boy.…

Height, weight, shape, pilosity, generic looks, intelligence, education, success, wealth, virility, etc. are all criteria that are used by people to judge other people and discriminate, whether they're purely esthetic or have functional impact. Society also prizes different things in men and women. These are all forms of discrimination but I think it should be clear that they're nothing like the discrimination of black people. Scale, intention, means, effect, all matter. A puddle isn't an ocean although both will get you wet if you step in them.

If your point is that we should eliminate any and all discrimination... sure. Although it's a far too lofty goal to happen as long as we're biological beings. But saying that "there's really no difference" between color and height discrimination is something you could and should really walk back from rather than attempt repeatedly to defend.

Every single decision you make is based on some criteria that you may not even be able to clearly define. But just because you can't verbalize why you like this person and not the next doesn't make it less of a discrimination process. Do you think that makes you the KKK?

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by rootusrootus » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 10:51 PM UTC

faeriechangling wrote: post #162

rootusrootus wrote: post #56

This is the kind of surgery I might expect someone who is closer to 5 feet might use to get nearer to normal range. I'm pretty much average myself (71 inches) and I wouldn't look at a 67 inch tall guy and think "wow he's short." He's still taller than the vast majority of women. I think the money would be better spent on therapy if it really is that depressing to be 5'7". Also, anybody making short jokes is a jerk an…

I really hate the idea that people dealing with actual problems with objective evidence of being real problems should go to therapy at substantial cost to have somebody gaslight them into believing that their real problems don't matter. Sure somebody could have delusional views of how much their height matters, and such people could consider therapy, but I'd reckon most people glum about their height have a pretty ob…

> I really hate the idea that people dealing with actual problems with objective evidence of being real problems

That's my point. If you're 25th percentile in height, you don't have an actual height problem. Treat the depression.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by throw__away7391 » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 10:52 PM UTC

throwaway515 wrote: post #168

aortega wrote: post #99

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>there aren't really downsides to short stature in modern life It even have several health benefits. Except that in dating, women overwhelmingly prefer men over 6', and very small differences like 5'7 vs 5'9 double or triple the matches in online dating sites. If we are talking about 5'6 vs 6'0 the difference is ridiculous, like over 200X more matches. Women even divorce short men at double the rate of tall men. Thos…

> Basically this means that in modern dating, if you are short, you are very likely to die alone and this trend will only get worse in the future. I'm 5'6, and after almost 15 years of dating sites to modern dating apps, I have indeed accepted that yes, I will very likely die alone. My therapist has even half-seriously suggested I try lying about my height, and qualms aside, from the studies I've read, any plausible-…

I'm a tad over 6' but girls are so used to guys lying about their hight that they usually say I'm 6'2". On multiple occasions I've had my date insist over my objection that I must be taller than that.

It's not a stretch for me to imagine that widespread lying by men about their hight has actually collectively made the problem worse for men, e.g. women insisting on 6 feet because they've dating 5'10" guys claiming to be 6" and decided that was the minimum.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by meowface » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 10:52 PM UTC

fleddr wrote: post #134

"a 2006 study on online dating found that a man who is 5'6'' needs an additional $175,000 to be as desirable as a man who is approximately 6' tall and only makes $62,500 a year." I guess I appreciate the brutal honesty. Wealth and height. And not to forget social status, as one woman in the linked article explained how she broke up with a short guy because of what others (might) think of it. Not a word is wasted on a…

>The female version is equally disturbing but different. I've never met or talked to a man that finds fake boobs, duck lips, botox, fake bums, fake tans, an inch of makeup in any remote way attractive, or a "selector". So the depressing reality is that women largely do this in a competition towards other women, and this perverted rat race knows many victims.

I find everything on that list extremely unattractive, minus that last one: what's wrong with makeup? If it's not used excessively, it can look attractive. (I often tend to prefer how people look without makeup or with only light makeup, but some who are very good at makeup sometimes look better with it, in my opinion.)

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by xvector » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 10:53 PM UTC

mft_ wrote: post #61

nosefrog wrote: post #13

As a 5'5" guy, no one ever calls me short, and when I joke about being short my friends tell me that they don't perceive me as short unless I'm joking about it, so I stopped haha.

I suspect to, to an extent, it's a self-fulfilling issue: once you're sensitive to an issue, you listen out for examples, and then of course pay special attention to the ones you do hear. I don't remember hearing people refer negatively to baldness... until I started losing my hair and it became (marginally) personal to me.

It is 100% self-fulfilling. Worrying about height is like a thought-virus, once you encounter it, it infects you, but you can do just fine until you come across it. Then the challenge is learning to not give a fuck. Such is the pattern of every insecurity since time immemorial.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by FooBarWidget » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 10:53 PM UTC

Avicebron wrote: post #74

I mean women suffer from this too, my gf is 5.1 and constantly complains about not finding things in her size, not being able to reach stuff, so I mean, i suppose it is a real disadvantage I can imagine how humilitating it must feel if someone has to get a milkcrate to put in your garage so you can reach a shelf.

When I am in a store and I can't reach for the item on the highest shelf, I unapologetically jump to get it, not minding what other people think. It's the store's fault for not providing a chair.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by meowface » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 10:53 PM UTC

zdragnar wrote: post #39

Pxtl wrote: post #32

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AFAIK the boob and nose job comparison is a bit off because those are pretty harmless and safe compared to this incredibly dangerous process.

"Safe" is a pretty relative term; there are no shortage of complications that can arise from any of these surgeries (though the risk profiles are different, there are definitely still risks of permanent injury). At the end of the day, these are elective surgeries too frequently used as an attempt to mask a pathological low self esteem.

That's why they said "compared to this".

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by handmodel » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 10:53 PM UTC

aortega wrote: post #177

throwaway515 wrote: post #168

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> Basically this means that in modern dating, if you are short, you are very likely to die alone and this trend will only get worse in the future. I'm 5'6, and after almost 15 years of dating sites to modern dating apps, I have indeed accepted that yes, I will very likely die alone. My therapist has even half-seriously suggested I try lying about my height, and qualms aside, from the studies I've read, any plausible-…

My theory is that if you stay in a city, you are very likely correct. In a city you have to compete with men much taller and attractive. And women have access to hundreds of those men 24/7 through their cell phones constantly hitting on them. You won't win, but in a smaller city/rural town, you have much more chances.

I am a 5'6 man. I still think a city is much better as I assume the 5'6 man has standards, too. It's not like finding a partner who is willing to settle with you is difficult at all - it is finding one that you feel meets your level of fitness, intelligence, and social status which is considered high (other than your height). In a rural setting you are going to be very limited but a city definitely has options.

I would say be patient. I think as you grow older it becomes less important. And even if 80% of women have fairly strong height preferences I think a solid 20% have close to no preference or would care but are very short themselves.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by miramardesign » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 10:54 PM UTC

throwaway515 wrote: post #168

aortega wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>there aren't really downsides to short stature in modern life It even have several health benefits. Except that in dating, women overwhelmingly prefer men over 6', and very small differences like 5'7 vs 5'9 double or triple the matches in online dating sites. If we are talking about 5'6 vs 6'0 the difference is ridiculous, like over 200X more matches. Women even divorce short men at double the rate of tall men. Thos…

> Basically this means that in modern dating, if you are short, you are very likely to die alone and this trend will only get worse in the future. I'm 5'6, and after almost 15 years of dating sites to modern dating apps, I have indeed accepted that yes, I will very likely die alone. My therapist has even half-seriously suggested I try lying about my height, and qualms aside, from the studies I've read, any plausible-…

Brother do what I did move to south America, the dollar goes a long way and the ladies love their short kings. I'm amazed walking around here in Argentina how many couples where the woman is a head taller than the guy. Spoiled american women won't go for a guy a head taller than her.