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Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by XenophileJKO »

wildmanx wrote: post #528
ultimoo wrote: post #166

>Most companies don’t do this because of the mountain of complexities with taxes, payroll, and time zone availability, but I hope we can open-source a solution so other companies can offer this flexibility as well. I think this is a genius growth play for Airbnb. Make it easier for _other_ companies to operate in a similar way so that _their_ employees can travel and live in an... Airbnb! Next, they should lobby to g…

> I think everyone wins here. The airline industry surely will. The environment likely won't. (But who cares about a few polar bears if you can just work from Shanghai for a few weeks, right? /s)

Does the environment really lose? Along with this comes the reduction of commuting. Curious to see how the math works out on that one.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by AlwaysRock »

asiachick wrote: post #133
vmception wrote: post #92

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I think a lot of founders and their friends are using the office as a replacement for a healthier separate social circle and social life that they lack (a lot of people lack that, and they do too), so for them they're really just hanging out and like the potential for “increased collaboration” for that reason

(1) Healthiest = great social circle at work that bleeds into social circle out of work (2) Less healthy = great social circle at work, separate great social circle outside of work (3) Even less healthy = no social circle at work (just a job), great social circle outside work (4) Worse = great social circle at work, no social circle outside of work (I never seen this situation. If you have a great social circle at wo…

I couldnt disagree more. Maybe if your goal is to start a company with the people you work with this might be true...

But work friends should not be your main friends. It's like saying your main friends should be a group of bowlers but at any moment on any day your local bowling alley could decide you are banned or that if you decide another bowling alley is better you dont get to bring your new friends to it.

Having a social group at work is great but having boundaries between work and personal is much healthier.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by dfxm12 »

bkor wrote: post #349
JWlrCk9PkipFTDq wrote: post #334

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I don't think is true for the Schengen zone/Schengen adjacent countries. I'm a musician and have toured Western Europe a couple of times (and know a lot of others who have). Apart from the UK noone I know ever gets working visas, and this is never a problem crossing borders honestly saying to immigration that we're there on tour in a van full of music equipment and merchandise.

> we're there on tour in a van full of music equipment and merchandise There are separate arrangements for touring groups. However, if you're not from the EU then good luck. You'll notice that there are huge complications after brexit. That said, likely nobody will check, care or notice.

That said, likely nobody will check, care or notice.

Even if noone cared, relying on the apathy of others seems like a poor part of a business model. Unfortunately, they do seem to care at the US-Canadian border entering the US. There have been a few Canadian professional wrestlers, like Mike Bailey and Super Smash Bros., who were barred entry to the US entirely for 5 yrs because they were caught trying to work in the US without a visa.

More on the topic of musicians: https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/us-border-canadian...

I think this is all silly, of course, especially because American acts have seemingly no trouble working in Canada. I shouldn't take for granted when I saw the Canadian band badbadnotgood in the US last month...

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by bombcar »

bell-cot wrote: post #512
hervature wrote: post #437

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Many others have chimed in, but this is very important to highlight. Meeting with clients, going to conference, having important meetings, these are things we consider work. However, from the eyes of the law, these are temporary things that need to be done in person for business that has already occurred. That is, if you come to a conference, meet a potential client, and then set up a sales meeting before you leave,…

> ...Of course, these laws never foresaw technological progress and so the world governments look the other way because they do not know how/what to enforce... Other than the current scale of activity, the law has no "never foresaw technolo..." excuse for failing to cover such things. Centuries ago, it was perfectly normal for authors, composers, painters, etc. to travel to and work in other countries - "for their he…

That's an interesting case - if you write a book on holiday, but not on contract, and then sell it later when you return, where did the work occur? Where did the taxable event occur?

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Post by saalweachter »

XenophileJKO wrote: post #531
wildmanx wrote: post #528

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> I think everyone wins here. The airline industry surely will. The environment likely won't. (But who cares about a few polar bears if you can just work from Shanghai for a few weeks, right? /s)

Does the environment really lose? Along with this comes the reduction of commuting. Curious to see how the math works out on that one.

You could probably formulate a migratory plan based on where you can live to minimize heating and cooling costs.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by pedrosorio »

frankfrankfrank wrote: post #333
joshvm wrote: post #255

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You can visit for 90 days but what you're allowed to do is restricted to tourism and "temporary business". The US substantial presence test is actually something like 31 days in the current year, and ~180 calculated as a weighted sum of presence over all visits in the preceeding few years. That's just to determine if you should pay tax, and note that vacations to the US contribute. Whether you can legally work in the…

I propose people start reconsidering this imposed situation that exists between the people who do the work and the government, i.e. the parasitic ruling class. And to clarify, I say that as someone who is not at all “leftist” oriented, even though it may seem so at first glance of reading that to some. This situation we currently essentially globally have, at least in the west, is quite an abusive system that is real…

People work because they need money to survive (pay bills, rent, food, etc.), not because "the ruling class is imposing taxes through government".

A consumption tax will do nothing to reduce the power of the "ruling class" since their consumption is a much smaller fraction of their income compared to the working man.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by bombcar »

refurb wrote: post #427
oxfordmale wrote: post #309

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This is a legal loophole for digital nomads. If I am connected to my work via a VPN, I am technically still working in the country of employment. I am not producing any commercial output in the country I am staying that I or my employer benefits from beneficially. I am 100% confident this has been reviewed by well paid lawyers at AirBnb who have zero sense of adventure, and that this is all water tight.

No, that's not how it works at all. There are several ways tax codes can categorize income: - the country the person was hired in (e.g. US) - the country for whom the work is complete for (say if US employee delivered code for a Canadian office) - the country the company who hired the person is located in - the country the company paying the employee is located in - the country the person was originally hired in (sam…

The reality of what the law says and what countries and companies do in this case are often very disconnected.

But when it's a big or noticeable deal, then things come into play. US baseball players have to file Canadian taxes when they play in Canada, and if an exposition game occurs in Japan or London, taxes are filed there, too.

If you're not trying to evade taxes, and aren't making much anyway, most places don't actually do anything, but if they decided they wanted to they could.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by wcarron »

ultimoo wrote: post #166

>Most companies don’t do this because of the mountain of complexities with taxes, payroll, and time zone availability, but I hope we can open-source a solution so other companies can offer this flexibility as well. I think this is a genius growth play for Airbnb. Make it easier for _other_ companies to operate in a similar way so that _their_ employees can travel and live in an... Airbnb! Next, they should lobby to g…

It is, in my opinion, a massive and near total loss for all the renters, first-time homebuyers, existing families, and the sense of community in areas affected by AirBnB's cancerous growth.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by gowld »

Kbelicius wrote: post #253
lovemenot wrote: post #182

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>> I think this is a genius move for Airbnb. Make it easier for _other_ companies to operate in a similar way so that _their_ employees can travel and live in an... Airbnb! Yes. Like the story of Ford doubling the wages it paid to factory workers in 1920s. So that those workers could afford a car, and the whole economy eventually followed suit.

That story isn't true. The reason why wages/bonuses were raised/introduced by Ford is because of turnover.

What's the difference?

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by gowld »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #460
chronofar wrote: post #452

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Big cities are by nature cosmopolitan, it’s very strange to say only some people “belong” and others don’t. Would you prefer the world isolate into pockets of belonging based on generational inheritance as it has been and we crank back globalization? Certainly there are growing pains, but I would view more globalization as the direction we want to go.

> Big cities are by nature cosmopolitan but most rich tech workers, especially from US, especially from SV, are not. It's time to accept it. We don't want them. Not at this rate, not at these (their) conditions. They only bring problems. One thing is immigrants coming to work, another thing entirely is people that go somewhere because "it's cheap" or "it's beautiful" but work and pay taxes elsewhere. They also have t…

> pay taxes elsewhere

That's only because your community refuses to tax the visitors.

> They also have the habit of paying more than the average prices

then they are in fact paying taxes (or paying locals -- skipping the government middle-person) to the community.

> This[1] had never happened before Americans invaded Trastevere.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/travel/taking-a-bite-out-...

"Earlier this year, a report by the president of Rome’s Appeals Court, Giorgio Santacroce, found that criminal organizations essentially have divided up the capital into areas under their control."

https://abcnews.go.com/International/trial-opens-2016-death-...

> Trial opens in 2016 death of US student Beau Solomon found dead in Rome > An Italian homeless man is accused of killing the 19-year-old student.

> Prior to his death, Solomon was allegedly robbed and assaulted, just hours after arriving in Rome for a study-abroad semester.

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