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Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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The next time you try to enter or leave Japan after staying for 90 days, they would ask you how you are able to stay 3 months without working. If you cannot show significant savings, then you would get deported and banned for 10 years. Happens all the time.

Say that you're using PTO?

Lie to immigration? People in this thread are insane. Going to get yourselves banned from counties.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Thats called the break room

It is really strange to me that anti-open-office people (and in general anti-office people) often don't understand (or don't believe?) that other people just have radically different preferences to them.

A “closed” office design includes private inner sanctums, small group common areas, and large group common areas. Think academia: my grad student friends have shared or sometimes private offices in little clusters of 5 that surround a small conference room or lounge. Then down the hall is the big department lounge. A much greater range of preferences are satisfiable with this layout. The same people are also allowed to have varying preferences depending on the time of day or phase of project, and to wander with their laptops.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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I think this depends largely on whether you live alone. I would never go back to an office, even part time. One of my best friends lives by himself and struggled hard during the covid-induced requirement to work from home. Much like schools double as a day care for children, work often doubles as a social club for adults.

> Much like schools double as a day care for children, work often doubles as a social club for adults. So what? 2 birds with one stone and all.

I didn't mean to imply a value judgement either way; the concept seems to be somewhat underappreciated by people who haven't worked remote before. There's a massive dropoff in interpersonal relationship building, largely owing to the watercooler type conversations, overhearing a conversation in a hallway and chiming in, or (if you're a smoker) standing around outside with the other smokers musing over work issues or after work plans.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Many others have chimed in, but this is very important to highlight. Meeting with clients, going to conference, having important meetings, these are things we consider work. However, from the eyes of the law, these are temporary things that need to be done in person for business that has already occurred. That is, if you come to a conference, meet a potential client, and then set up a sales meeting before you leave,…

> ...Of course, these laws never foresaw technological progress and so the world governments look the other way because they do not know how/what to enforce... Other than the current scale of activity, the law has no "never foresaw technolo..." excuse for failing to cover such things. Centuries ago, it was perfectly normal for authors, composers, painters, etc. to travel to and work in other countries - "for their he…

I'm not sure I agree. With computers, people can literally teleport around the world which would have been ridiculed even 50 years ago. Probably something like "Haha, you think one day you'll be able to reach into the telephone and fix the thing on the other side, haha". I think it is an open question whether or not a sysadmin working on servers around the world is any different than paying the sysadmin to travel to each server and work locally while continuing to work on the global servers. The former is fine whereas the latter would legally require work authorization in each country.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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"You can move anywhere in the country you work in and your compensation won’t change" But if you move to a different country, suddenly the work you do is worth less to the company? Roles should be paid for the skill and work required, not the location of the employee.

This is the thing that stood out to me as well. It sounds like they are moving to a single pay tier and if you are currently below that, you will receive an increase. I think that implies the single tier is the same as the current max salary since they did not mention a decrease. I'm interested to see how this plays out since it could indirectly effect me as I live in a low COL location and my company currently adjusts salary depending on your location.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Everybody seems to be praising Airbnb but a couple of things need to be stated about doing remote work. Just because some rules are difficult to enforce or monitor, the spread of these practices will invite increased scrutiny by local authorities.

1) None of the usual 90 days Visas allow you to perform working activities. Neither when issued in the US or in European countries. Even when you are still a resident and employed in your country of residence. See for example the allowed activities for a B-1 or a B-2 Visa.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/tourism-...

2) You also can't do it on a Schengen Visa for Tourism or Business.

Business Schengen Visa – Traveling to Europe for Business Purposes: https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/business-schengen-visa/

3) Some professions like Airline crews, Military personal, Athletes and Musicians have specific provisions on the law that allow for their remote work.

4) For Europe the only way this might work could be with the relatively new Digital Nomad Visa: https://www.etiasvisa.com/etias-news/digital-nomad-visas-eu-...

5) Each case will be different, subject to a long and complex process. The company announcement mentions:

   "Starting in September, you can live and work in over 170 countries  for up to 90 days a year in each location."  
On a first analysis, seems Airbnb applying again the grow patterns they used before: Flout the rules, push ambiguous legal scenarios, then pay fines or ask for forgiveness before asking for permission.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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As far as I can understand it: 1 - I'm proud of having cheated Airbnb out of their commission when helping me find housing so I could live like a hipster 2 - I hate living next to Airbnb hipsters Needless to say: not a lot of coherent thought in that comment...

Eh, no. Airbnb rentals don't go for 3-6 months. (So what I was doing wouldn't have even been possible via their website). I wasn't "living like a hipster", I wasn't on a work-vacation. There was no "cheating" involved, since all the people who post on Airbnb also post on other websites, local and international. Airbnb just had a nicer map. It ain't cheating Airbnb if the landlord is happy to cut out the middleman. An…

I'm currently living in a 3 month airbnb rental and have a 6 month airbnb rental lined up next...

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

#528

>Most companies don’t do this because of the mountain of complexities with taxes, payroll, and time zone availability, but I hope we can open-source a solution so other companies can offer this flexibility as well. I think this is a genius growth play for Airbnb. Make it easier for _other_ companies to operate in a similar way so that _their_ employees can travel and live in an... Airbnb! Next, they should lobby to g…

> I think everyone wins here.

The airline industry surely will. The environment likely won't. (But who cares about a few polar bears if you can just work from Shanghai for a few weeks, right? /s)

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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I like that he specifically mentioned open floor plans. This is the number one reason why I don't want to return to the office. I kinda do want to go back. But I need my privacy and some quiet. I can't do the open floor plan ever again.

Honestly I started doing push ups and pull ups and squats at home during the pandemic. Not a ton. 6 sets of 8-12 during the day. A set takes me a minute or two. At this point I rarely break a sweat and just do them during the day whenever I get up for water or the bathroom.

My health is significantly better overall because of this. I would feel very odd doing this in an office. I have lots of other reasons why I don't like going into an office (mostly losing 1-2 hours a day to commuting) but this is at the top of the list of why I wont go back.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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post #526

Everybody seems to be praising Airbnb but a couple of things need to be stated about doing remote work. Just because some rules are difficult to enforce or monitor, the spread of these practices will invite increased scrutiny by local authorities. 1) None of the usual 90 days Visas allow you to perform working activities. Neither when issued in the US or in European countries. Even when you are still a resident and e…

> None of the usual 90 days Visas allow you to perform working activities.

They don't allow you to perform work within the jurisdiction. But no one cares if you're working remotely, and I'm not aware of any tourism visas that preclude it.

Digital nomad visas are not about legalizing an otherwise-illegal arrangement, they are intended to expand and promote it with longer visa terms that traditional tourism visas allow. It's about increasing the length of the visa, not legalizing it. But neither a tourism visa, or a digital nomad visa allow you to work in the jurisdiction.

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