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Is everything falling apart?

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Re: Is everything falling apart?

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Every generation thinks the world is ending but eventually one will be correct.

Do you think there can't be any civilizations in the universe which exist indefinitely? For the past millions or even billions of years? If humans get past the next couple of centuries and start spreading out into the solar system and possibly beyond, what would cause us to have a last generation?

At some point, the heat death of the universe [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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It's an endless cycle. As the saying goes... Hard times make strong men Strong men make good times Good times make weak men And weak men make hard times.

Makes sense. Strength is useless during peace times, so strong men find themselves out of a job with nothing to channel their strength into. "Weakness" which in this case means classically feminine traits are useless during war times but are far preferred during peace times. We don't need strong men during good times and we don't need weak men during bad times. Although now we are in neither a good nor bad time. What…

Still strong. But in character and not necessarily muscles.

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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post #82

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this saying is often used to demean men that don't fit a very narrow definition of "strong"

Y’all are taking it way too literally. I take it as hard times make it clear what’s important and inspire people to work towards that. In good times people forget.

Perhaps the language has evolved to the point that the work needs some translation. Because it strikes me as vague enough to be harmful with folks like Putin aspiring to embody "strong men".

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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I think some things are falling apart but not everything. If you had the foresight/luck/guidance to get into a stable white collar career, find a partner, and buy a house before 2022 I think you're on "the train". This train is currently pulling away from a burning station containing everyone else who hasn't done those things yet. It's still possible to escape the station by running down the tracks but at this point…

Curious - you say you are a young single person - do you count yourself as on the train (or at least able to run fast enough to get on?).

I'm currently running to catch up. Feels like there's a non-trivial chance of failure, but I have enough privilege that I think I'll get on all right in the end. I could have been on the train from day 1 if I had made some different choices but there's no helping that now.

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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How do you get to the next stop?

You wait for the market to cycle again - crash, boom, then crash, etc. Parent poster might have been in their 20s/30s though and implying that waiting for the next cycle would waste prime years of their life.

Or you hope that your boomer parents don't reverse mortgage the house to fund the Margarita-ville lifestyle at some compound in Florida.

For many young people today inheriting a house is the only plausible way they're going to get one.

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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post #130

Everything is not falling apart, though certain institutions may be falling apart. In America, there's definitely been a breakdown of belief in its own institutions. Far more people are skeptical of things like journalism and Silicon Valley; it really wasn't that long ago that the former was constantly salivating over the latter, but now it's more of an openly vulture-carrion relationship because that caters to publi…

I have a much different experience. I have a dozen family members that were part of the auto industry in Michigan. They were on top of the world for decades. It ended with most of them thinking society has collapsed in the 80s and doubting they'd actually get their pension. My grandfather spent the last 30 years of his life in retirement collecting a pay check that he thought might be his last.

Why did he think the paychecks would stop coming?

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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Well, the big reason I'm skeptical is that the group of people who don't like "wokeism" seem to have pretty diverse identities. It's hard for me to see many similarities between irreligious business magnate Elon Musk, vaguely Catholic political blogger Andrew Sullivan, and my full time Baptist preacher cousin-in-law - I'm not sure I could identify any other policy question they all agree on.

I think, you are contrasting your peers to a propagandistic caricature. Or how easy can you fit in that image "moderate" leftists like bernie sanders or noam chomsky? What is the difference between woke and left?

I don't want to necessarily defend "woke" as a term, but if you pinned me down, I'd say the difference between woke and left is that Noam Chomsky isn't woke. He thinks free speech is very important and signed onto a famous letter on the topic of "cancel culture" and why it's bad. I don't think he has or would identify as anti-woke, but the general phenomenon of ideological capture in mass communications is something he's always talked about and opposed at length.

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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post #124

It's easy to lament polarization, but the reason it's not going away is that there are important differences in how people view the world, and calls for unity are really closer to "It would be so peaceful if we could eliminate the opposing viewpoint once and for all".

I’d just be happy if we could agree on basic facts. I don’t expect everyone to agree on the right way to solve a problem, but it seems increasingly difficult to even come to a common understanding of what’s true and what’s not.

Re: Is everything falling apart?

#149

I think there are two intersecting issues. The first is the dwindling of easy resources. The second half of the 20th century was so easy it was wasteful, and we don't want to give that up -- that abundance of resources, readily available and on the cheap. But the bigger issue right now is the end of the US/NATO empire. It matches with the end of other empires like Rome: the spending, the inflation, the corruption and…

This is not what the article is about at all.

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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post #135

It's not that things are falling apart, it's that things are not being put back together. Complex societies have systems and mechanisms in them that require people to do a.) do their job and b.) hold others accountable. We're a uniquely distracted and lethargic generation obsessed with titillation, fantasy, and procrastination. Yet a lot of things require sober, deliberate work, and enforcing the rules. With the leve…

"coupled with the seeming inability of elected officials to accomplish overwhelmingly popular policy changes,"

I feel like this is always a hot button. What are the overwhelming popular policy changes, and just how popular are they? I'm wondering if there's a list somewhere that will show the top ones with the percent of support.

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