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Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

strangeattractr wrote: post #264
frederikvs wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tangent, but it turns out terms like "third world" are no longer accurate. If memory serves, this is explained in the book Factfulness. A highly recommended read, by the way. A few decades ago, there was a group of wealthy countries, a group of poor countries, and a large gap between them. Back then it made sense to see them as 2 separate groups, first world and third. Right now however, they're no longer separate gr…

Weren't the terms used to connote alliance with the US (first world) or the USSR (second world) and third world meant non-aligned?

so, the poster is wrong on the specifics but correct on the general idea that the term third world no longer makes much sense.

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Post by ErneX »

noduerme wrote: post #328
entropy_ wrote: post #318

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As far as I can understand it: 1 - I'm proud of having cheated Airbnb out of their commission when helping me find housing so I could live like a hipster 2 - I hate living next to Airbnb hipsters Needless to say: not a lot of coherent thought in that comment...

Eh, no. Airbnb rentals don't go for 3-6 months. (So what I was doing wouldn't have even been possible via their website). I wasn't "living like a hipster", I wasn't on a work-vacation. There was no "cheating" involved, since all the people who post on Airbnb also post on other websites, local and international. Airbnb just had a nicer map. It ain't cheating Airbnb if the landlord is happy to cut out the middleman. An…

3-6 months rentals are not what people usually lease for, at least here it's 3 to 5 years contracts and then keep extending for one year periods. Any flat here rented for 3 to 6 months is a holiday rental and besides being more expensive it's one flat less available for the people that actually want to live in the city.

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Post by kjksf »

umutseven92 wrote: post #290
renewiltord wrote: post #277

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No one’s gonna know if you are a tourist in Japan for 90 d and you work there remotely. Literally no one. No one will know.

The next time you try to enter or leave Japan after staying for 90 days, they would ask you how you are able to stay 3 months without working. If you cannot show significant savings, then you would get deported and banned for 10 years. Happens all the time.

Does it really happen all the time?

Any references to this happening all the time?

Because to me it seems like border patrol doesn't have the authority to check your bank account or demand that you "show significant savings".

Sure they can refuse to let you in but does it really happen all the time?

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Post by bkor »

trash3 wrote: post #276
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #220

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I'm not an immigration/tax lawyer and could be completely wrong but if you're from EU/US/UK/AUS etc I'm fairly sure you can work in another one of those countries for up to 90 days (and sometimes upto 183) without paying tax there or getting a work visa - as long as you're still resident and being paid in your home country under the Visa Waiver program. I've worked in NY offices and got paid in UK (admittedly a while…

My understanding is, for an American in a EU country, is they can go and work remotely there for the 90 days as long as they are not conducting business in said country. This means face to face business meetings with clients. When you log in remotely to your job based in the USA and not interacting with people directly during the tourist stay, you're in the clear... I think?

> My understanding is, for an American in a EU country, is they can go and work remotely there for the 90 days as long as they are not conducting business in said country.

That's not legal. To work in the EU you need a work visa. Though they ignore the business trips. What's legal and what's checked are different things.

E.g. new foreign colleagues need to get a tax id in The Netherlands before they do any work. Doesn't matter if they came from the US.

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Post by kjksf »

michaelt wrote: post #293
renewiltord wrote: post #277

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No one’s gonna know if you are a tourist in Japan for 90 d and you work there remotely. Literally no one. No one will know.

Ah, but consider if you're a multinational corporation, and your employee asks for permission to work remotely from Japan for 90 days. Will your policies allow you to give permission for something illegal?

Why should they care? The liability is with the person, not the company.

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Post by JCharante »

oxfordmale wrote: post #309
umutseven92 wrote: post #291

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Nope, unless your country has a special arrangement with the country you are visiting, you cannot work with a tourist visa, at all. Does not matter if the company is local or not. No work visa = no work.

This is a legal loophole for digital nomads. If I am connected to my work via a VPN, I am technically still working in the country of employment. I am not producing any commercial output in the country I am staying that I or my employer benefits from beneficially. I am 100% confident this has been reviewed by well paid lawyers at AirBnb who have zero sense of adventure, and that this is all water tight.

absolutely not that gets people in trouble if you get attention from the cops (source: been in south east asia for a while)

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Post by hocuspocus »

JWlrCk9PkipFTDq wrote: post #334
te_chris wrote: post #241

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As far as I know this is incorrect. In most countries working is entirely different to touristing and ‘doing business’ (i.e. selling). Just ask musicians - they have to get performance work visas for every country. As far as their tax authorities are concerned, yeah, you normally have 90 days or so where they don’t care about your income, but immigration? Almost never. Most digital nomads just get away with it becaus…

I don't think is true for the Schengen zone/Schengen adjacent countries. I'm a musician and have toured Western Europe a couple of times (and know a lot of others who have). Apart from the UK noone I know ever gets working visas, and this is never a problem crossing borders honestly saying to immigration that we're there on tour in a van full of music equipment and merchandise.

Schengen has nothing to do with freedom of movement for workers.

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Post by JCharante »

devmor wrote: post #237
Gud wrote: post #230

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Why are the cities the losers? I travel a lot for work(300 days/year) and I don’t have an apartment, so when I’m not working I’m pretty much also traveling. Occasionally I use Airbnb and I think it’s a much nicer option than hotels.

Because it's almost impossible to purchase a house if you live and work in a large city now. Airbnb "hosts" use their ever growing stream of reverse mortgages to purchase more and more single family homes at cash offers over what others can afford.

That's just if you live in a city with bad zoning policies or in cultures that hate high rises.

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Post by bkor »

JWlrCk9PkipFTDq wrote: post #334
te_chris wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I know this is incorrect. In most countries working is entirely different to touristing and ‘doing business’ (i.e. selling). Just ask musicians - they have to get performance work visas for every country. As far as their tax authorities are concerned, yeah, you normally have 90 days or so where they don’t care about your income, but immigration? Almost never. Most digital nomads just get away with it becaus…

I don't think is true for the Schengen zone/Schengen adjacent countries. I'm a musician and have toured Western Europe a couple of times (and know a lot of others who have). Apart from the UK noone I know ever gets working visas, and this is never a problem crossing borders honestly saying to immigration that we're there on tour in a van full of music equipment and merchandise.

> we're there on tour in a van full of music equipment and merchandise

There are separate arrangements for touring groups. However, if you're not from the EU then good luck. You'll notice that there are huge complications after brexit. That said, likely nobody will check, care or notice.

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Post by 4ad »

noduerme wrote: post #337
wingerlang wrote: post #323

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Did you have any thoughts about the home owners around you while you were doing the same thing?

Yes, I did. The whole point is that I wasn't just a one-or-two-day ghost. I lived in these places for as I said 3-6 months (in one case almost a year). So I knew my neighbors, and treated them as I would neighbors in any other apartment I rented as a regular tenant. [edit] I should just add that I'm as embarrassed to make noise or screw with anyone's living space as a homeowner as I was as a tenant. I could make $400…

> So I knew my neighbors, and treated them as I would neighbors in any other apartment I rented as a regular tenant.

Tangential, but I have lived for 10 years in the same apartment and I have never interacted with my neighbours. Not even once.

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