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Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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I'm kinda of curious how this works if you are remote: "Most of you should expect to gather in person every quarter for about a week at a time. Some roles, especially senior roles, will be expected to gather more often. We’ll do our best to define windows when most large team off-sites will occur and give you plenty of notice so you can make it work with personal and family plans." Is this like just plan to be in the…

I work at Automattic (no proper offices, fully remote), which (pre-pandemic) does meetups once or twice per year per team, plus one for the whole company. Meetups are typically a week long. I’ve had the chance to visit Lisbon, Hawaii, and soon Cancun on the company’s dime, so I can’t see a world where I am upset about “having” to attend these trips :) I recognize that kids makes it difficult. And there are also folks…

That seems like a great way to do it. I wouldn't mind a couple of meetups a year.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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I think a lot of founders and their friends are using the office as a replacement for a healthier separate social circle and social life that they lack (a lot of people lack that, and they do too), so for them they're really just hanging out and like the potential for “increased collaboration” for that reason

(1) Healthiest = great social circle at work that bleeds into social circle out of work (2) Less healthy = great social circle at work, separate great social circle outside of work (3) Even less healthy = no social circle at work (just a job), great social circle outside work (4) Worse = great social circle at work, no social circle outside of work (I never seen this situation. If you have a great social circle at wo…

This entire list would only make sense to people who actually work in offices.

(1) Healthiest - Doing my morning work at a place where I know a few other coders who like to chat but don't bug me

(2) Less healthy - Same thing, but in the afternoon with beer.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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I'm not an immigration/tax lawyer and could be completely wrong but if you're from EU/US/UK/AUS etc I'm fairly sure you can work in another one of those countries for up to 90 days (and sometimes upto 183) without paying tax there or getting a work visa - as long as you're still resident and being paid in your home country under the Visa Waiver program. I've worked in NY offices and got paid in UK (admittedly a while…

You can visit for 90 days but what you're allowed to do is restricted to tourism and "temporary business". The US substantial presence test is actually something like 31 days in the current year, and ~180 calculated as a weighted sum of presence over all visits in the preceeding few years. That's just to determine if you should pay tax, and note that vacations to the US contribute. Whether you can legally work in the…

I propose people start reconsidering this imposed situation that exists between the people who do the work and the government, i.e. the parasitic ruling class. And to clarify, I say that as someone who is not at all “leftist” oriented, even though it may seem so at first glance of reading that to some.

This situation we currently essentially globally have, at least in the west, is quite an abusive system that is really just the bait and switch type pivot off what most people know as slavery, into a differently structured model of the same fundamental thing, one which really just spreads the total amount of enslavement across more people rather than getting rid of it altogether.

The parasitism of the ruling class that is far more obvious through slavery, is far harder to recognize in todays world because rather than taking, for argument’s sake, ~70% of 10% of people’s labor to support and enrich the ruling class; the shift/pivot off the slavery model was to introduce taking ~40% of the labor from 90% of the population and therefore enrich and empower the ruling parasitic class even more.

It’s precisely why a certain segment of the ruling class were all for “ending slavery”, because they knew “ending it”, i.e. spreading it over most people, would be far more lucrative and profitable. Life tip: Always be extremely leery of what the ruling class is promoting, and even more so re-examine things if they start supporting what you support.

The point is, we need to all start coming to a realization that the income tax and the whole tax system of fractional slavery enforcement needs to end. I do not claim to know the right answer, but I and any other rational and sane person know that this bait and switch slavery that exists needs to stop. What else do you call it, e.g. when hedge fund managers make billions per year and pay next to zero taxes, but some middle class person has huge sums of the value of their labor taken/ stolen to supply the hedge fund manager’s lifestyle?

Some have proposed things like the Fairfax.org, essentially a consumption tax through sales tax that captures taxes on illegal/harmful activities and ill begotten wealth, e.g., drug dealers buying their flashy things, while at the same time also taxing polluting activities in a direct correlation, e.g., buying new shiny-object over keeping something maintained and repaired. This would be a radical and arguably positive impact for all of humanity … except the parasitic ruling class which very much likes and has been working hard to expand its parasitism. See currency inflation at the press of a button for reference, which defrauds workers and savers through the worst tax, fraud.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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I'm not an immigration/tax lawyer and could be completely wrong but if you're from EU/US/UK/AUS etc I'm fairly sure you can work in another one of those countries for up to 90 days (and sometimes upto 183) without paying tax there or getting a work visa - as long as you're still resident and being paid in your home country under the Visa Waiver program. I've worked in NY offices and got paid in UK (admittedly a while…

As far as I know this is incorrect. In most countries working is entirely different to touristing and ‘doing business’ (i.e. selling). Just ask musicians - they have to get performance work visas for every country. As far as their tax authorities are concerned, yeah, you normally have 90 days or so where they don’t care about your income, but immigration? Almost never. Most digital nomads just get away with it becaus…

I don't think is true for the Schengen zone/Schengen adjacent countries.

I'm a musician and have toured Western Europe a couple of times (and know a lot of others who have). Apart from the UK noone I know ever gets working visas, and this is never a problem crossing borders honestly saying to immigration that we're there on tour in a van full of music equipment and merchandise.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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No one’s gonna know if you are a tourist in Japan for 90 d and you work there remotely. Literally no one. No one will know.

The next time you try to enter or leave Japan after staying for 90 days, they would ask you how you are able to stay 3 months without working. If you cannot show significant savings, then you would get deported and banned for 10 years. Happens all the time.

Say that you're using PTO?

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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This is super cool and I'm glad someone's trying it. The digital nomad lifestyle is really fun and worth trying for a lot of people, at least for a few years. I'm skeptical this will work out for Airbnb though. My personal experience is that people who self-select into this type of lifestyle are not going to be as productive. There's too much to do and see in a new city, people to meet, foods to try, parties to go to…

> A critical component for remote work productivity is having a routine that somewhat mimics the routine of going in to the office.

This is what I found, ended up renting an office because there are far too many distractions and random annoyances. For example, a lot of vacation locations have building work going on constantly and, in many Mediterranean countries, leaving a barking dog out on your balcony all day and night is considered normal and neighbourly.

Also finding a location with a decent internet connection, reliable electric & plumbing, and decent furniture seems to be expecting too much?

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Sooo.. w/o getting into my history too deeply, my ex and I left the US in 2006 and worked freelance/remote. Wired did an article about us in 2008 living in a solar van when that was, like, unheard of. It seems like every few years a new batch of people want to try this approach, and it's always popular with the press to write about it. Sometimes it works out. I think it's a great way to live, and it teaches you a lot…

Did you have any thoughts about the home owners around you while you were doing the same thing?

Yes, I did. The whole point is that I wasn't just a one-or-two-day ghost. I lived in these places for as I said 3-6 months (in one case almost a year). So I knew my neighbors, and treated them as I would neighbors in any other apartment I rented as a regular tenant.

[edit] I should just add that I'm as embarrassed to make noise or screw with anyone's living space as a homeowner as I was as a tenant. I could make $400/nt renting my own house on Airbnb and go live in Morocco or Chile and just live off the fat of the land (read: being an American with access to credit). I frankly would never do it. I'd rent it to long-term tenants, or I'd sell it, before I'd subject my neighbors on the other side to what the airbnb jerks have subjected me to. And as a tenant, even with a piano that's calling me to play at 2am, I'm not going to wake anyone up.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Do you think this is an primarily caused by Airbnb?

It will be interesting to see what happens in Amsterdam over the next few years since they clamped down hard on AirBnB. Hosts now have to be officially registered with the city. AirBnB lost something like 90% of their hosts overnight!

Many major cities are clamping down hard. Mayors and politicians are under much more pressure from locals to stop their cities turning into, well, Amsterdam. Tourism is fine, but it has increasingly come at the cost of locals.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Nope, unless your country has a special arrangement with the country you are visiting, you cannot work with a tourist visa, at all. Does not matter if the company is local or not. No work visa = no work.

This is a legal loophole for digital nomads. If I am connected to my work via a VPN, I am technically still working in the country of employment. I am not producing any commercial output in the country I am staying that I or my employer benefits from beneficially. I am 100% confident this has been reviewed by well paid lawyers at AirBnb who have zero sense of adventure, and that this is all water tight.

> I am 100% confident this has been reviewed by well paid lawyers at AirBnb who have zero sense of adventure, and that this is all water tight.

I hope you're being sarcastic here, no?

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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I hope they add a "remote working approved" tag and filter, just like the "superhost". I have been working remotely since almost a year now in several European countries and to filter out AirBnBs, which offer a decent desk and have stable internet takes hours. The "workstation" filter can not be trusted and neither the "has Wifi", which doesn't say anything about the quality. An internet speed test should be required…

The problem is that in a lot of Western Europe, an actually-good Internet connection is a very rare commodity - DSL is still a thing in 2022.
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