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Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by noduerme »

ultimoo wrote: post #166

>Most companies don’t do this because of the mountain of complexities with taxes, payroll, and time zone availability, but I hope we can open-source a solution so other companies can offer this flexibility as well. I think this is a genius growth play for Airbnb. Make it easier for _other_ companies to operate in a similar way so that _their_ employees can travel and live in an... Airbnb! Next, they should lobby to g…

Yeah, eventually everyone will be staying in AirBnb's hotel and paying all the mortgage/upkeep on their own property to rent it to AirBnb. "It's like Uber for real estate".

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by bchanudet »

lostcolony wrote: post #201
c0nducktr wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. This appears to be the most best, and also most resilient option. God forbid you run into issues with your outside social circle, you've still got your work circle, and the other way around. I've only had option #1 happen once, and it was when I encouraged a few friends to apply at my company, and even then, it didn't really merge the social circles, I just had some people which were in both. I wouldn't do it…

Yeah; the few times I've suggested friends apply for jobs where I work, it's always been with the understanding "in a department different than mine". It's "hey, the culture, comp, and work here is pretty good, you might like it", not "let's work together".

I think what they suggested is actually the reverse: coworkers becoming friends, not friends becoming coworkers.

It makes sense in a way, when you spend 7+ hours a day with those people, you're bound to find some common interests that could bring you closer. What's hard is maintaining those friendships once they're no longer coworkers, as usually those "common interests" are mostly about the company's.

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Post by carabiner »

noduerme wrote: post #307

Sooo.. w/o getting into my history too deeply, my ex and I left the US in 2006 and worked freelance/remote. Wired did an article about us in 2008 living in a solar van when that was, like, unheard of. It seems like every few years a new batch of people want to try this approach, and it's always popular with the press to write about it. Sometimes it works out. I think it's a great way to live, and it teaches you a lot…

What?

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by noduerme »

carabiner wrote: post #313
noduerme wrote: post #307

Sooo.. w/o getting into my history too deeply, my ex and I left the US in 2006 and worked freelance/remote. Wired did an article about us in 2008 living in a solar van when that was, like, unheard of. It seems like every few years a new batch of people want to try this approach, and it's always popular with the press to write about it. Sometimes it works out. I think it's a great way to live, and it teaches you a lot…

What?

Which part?

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Post by 8organicbits »

Tepix wrote: post #271

Digital nomads aren't new. Someone must have figured out what is the most lucrative place to have official residency - assuming you're not from the US - US citizens have to pay taxes in the US (and sometimes twice) as far as i know.

The Foreign Earned Income Exclusion can reduce US tax burden for US citizens abroad.

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/fore...

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

ultimoo wrote: post #166

>Most companies don’t do this because of the mountain of complexities with taxes, payroll, and time zone availability, but I hope we can open-source a solution so other companies can offer this flexibility as well. I think this is a genius growth play for Airbnb. Make it easier for _other_ companies to operate in a similar way so that _their_ employees can travel and live in an... Airbnb! Next, they should lobby to g…

> I think everyone wins here.

except for the cities flooded by tech workers that do not belong to the community.

Like it's happening to Barcelona.

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Post by jdrc »

hirako2000 wrote: post #210
tfehring wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a couple dozen countries offer digital nomad visas now, the ones I've looked into in detail just require you to be employed remotely by a company outside the country and earn at least a couple thousand USD per month.

I do wonder which country would in effet cause troubles to travellers on a tourist visa, contributing to the local economy by renting a temporary home and other living expenses but happen to be working on their laptop every day of their 90 days trip.

they would cause trouble to the company though. And the company would have troubles with the country where they are tax residents

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Post by entropy_ »

carabiner wrote: post #313
noduerme wrote: post #307

Sooo.. w/o getting into my history too deeply, my ex and I left the US in 2006 and worked freelance/remote. Wired did an article about us in 2008 living in a solar van when that was, like, unheard of. It seems like every few years a new batch of people want to try this approach, and it's always popular with the press to write about it. Sometimes it works out. I think it's a great way to live, and it teaches you a lot…

What?

As far as I can understand it:

1 - I'm proud of having cheated Airbnb out of their commission when helping me find housing so I could live like a hipster

2 - I hate living next to Airbnb hipsters

Needless to say: not a lot of coherent thought in that comment...

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by noahtallen »

somethoughts wrote: post #112

I'm kinda of curious how this works if you are remote: "Most of you should expect to gather in person every quarter for about a week at a time. Some roles, especially senior roles, will be expected to gather more often. We’ll do our best to define windows when most large team off-sites will occur and give you plenty of notice so you can make it work with personal and family plans." Is this like just plan to be in the…

I work at Automattic (no proper offices, fully remote), which (pre-pandemic) does meetups once or twice per year per team, plus one for the whole company. Meetups are typically a week long. I’ve had the chance to visit Lisbon, Hawaii, and soon Cancun on the company’s dime, so I can’t see a world where I am upset about “having” to attend these trips :)

I recognize that kids makes it difficult. And there are also folks who find it hard to travel much at all. But I’ve found I have the opposite problem: remote work can be extremely challenging from a energy and social point of view without meetups. I’ve never met most people on my current team, and don’t have strong social relationships with them. Those are really only possible to build in person. I come away from meetups with a sense of camaraderie, energy, and vision that’s difficult or impossible to replicate over Zoom.

So for me, I have found remote work more difficult during covid without meetups. I burn out more frequently, and struggle to find as much energy as I’ve had in the past.

True remote work — not 4/5 days, or in close proximity to an office where most work — would be less viable for me without meetups. Just as remote work is less viable for some with meetups. And working in the office has huge drawbacks as well for plenty of people. So it’s all a balancing game, and I wouldn’t say that meetups should be ditched because of this.

I do want to note that when I think of a meetup, a lot of it is social and having a good time. While “real work” obviously happens too, it’s not like these trips are consumed by it. Getting paid to go to a pleasant location of your choice with nice lodging and a decent food/drink budget is super nice. If it was just going to a soulless office at a minimal budget with no expectation of having a good time, I probably wouldn’t be so much in favor of them :) But with a nice mix of meaningful conversations, socialization, brainstorming, and fun, they have a positive impact on my work/life balance. And I’m more productive as well. So it’s a huge win all around for me, and I hope most.

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