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I'll be #5 no matter what. At least WFH I can see my daughter when I'm not working.
You're not in situation (5), you're in (3).
So 5 is basically “the hole” in prison?
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#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
It depends on scale. I moved during my last job, post-COVID, and the HR department has to make sure the state I was moving to was approved. If not, I was going to have to switch to contracting (fewer hours, fewer employer/employee type rules, more rigidly defined tasks, etc.) because the cost of setting up payroll and taxation in another state was too onerous for just one person, even at the higher levels of the deve…
That's just HR being lazy. The process for handling it is an afternoon of filling out some state forms and handing them off to the payroll company.
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#223If this becomes the norm then it's the end of SF as a tech hub. A big move for a company paying the sorts of salaries it does.
> it's the end of SF as a tech hub People love to predict this, they seek it. Perhaps it feels like pushing against some establishment (when it's serving another establishment). It's trendy now, which affects people who follow trends, but trends change fast. Talented people want to be around other talented people; smart, intellectually curious people want to live where there are great restaurants, arts, beauty, sophi…
> Perhaps it feels like pushing against some establishment (when it's serving another establishment).
What establishment do you think it's serving? To me, a return to the smaller cities where many of us grew up, or better yet, never leaving in the first place, feels like decentralization, which many of us think is a good thing.
> intellectually curious people want to live where there are great restaurants, arts, beauty, sophisticated people, etc.
This strikes me as elitist, especially the mention of "sophisticated people". Now that I've returned to my home city, in what Americans often call flyover country, I appreciate hanging out with ordinary people. True, when I do karaoke, I hope the other singers will be good (speaking of arts and beauty), but there are good karaoke singers everywhere.
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> If its the latter then that seems like it might be a non-starter for people with families. If you can't make the time to spend a few days a quarter with your workmates in exchange for the most generous and fair remote working package then perhaps you're not a good fit for Airbnb. Which is totally fair. But they're not exactly taking the piss here. For many (many) people a week long retreat is a perk not a burden.
Haha - I hear you - its a treat if you are single or a DINK (dual income no kids) and need some solo social time. Especially if Monday and Friday are travel days. But if you have a family you actually like/love - then a full week away really is a non-starter. Especially if its Sunday night and Saturday morning travel. School plays and parent teacher conferences don't get planned based on the AirBNB week long retreat…
I definitely feel you on the Sun/Sat travel and I'd push back against that.
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Why bother having children if you're just going to shove them into boarding school?
That's a different conversation entirely about what you think of boarding schools and your reasons for having children. Hopefully your reasons for having a child are compatible with the child spending time away from you cos that's going to happen eventually. Your comment suggests you're making a lot it assumptions about what it means for someone to be in a boarding school...
No, I don't think so. The parent offered boarding school as an option if a couple were planning to spend time in different households in different countries.
The implication is that the kids will be sent to boarding school because they are inconvenient for these plans.
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#226>Most companies don’t do this because of the mountain of complexities with taxes, payroll, and time zone availability, but I hope we can open-source a solution so other companies can offer this flexibility as well. I think this is a genius growth play for Airbnb. Make it easier for _other_ companies to operate in a similar way so that _their_ employees can travel and live in an... Airbnb! Next, they should lobby to g…
> I think everyone wins here.
Everyone except the cities that have already lost a quantity of apartments and offices that have been repurposed as AirBnBs...
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#227>Most companies don’t do this because of the mountain of complexities with taxes, payroll, and time zone availability, but I hope we can open-source a solution so other companies can offer this flexibility as well. I think this is a genius growth play for Airbnb. Make it easier for _other_ companies to operate in a similar way so that _their_ employees can travel and live in an... Airbnb! Next, they should lobby to g…
They don't have the pull to change immigration laws but they can set and prove the standard to execute with excellence with this model. To the other comments, it is an expense-less raise. To the California tax base, it is yet another wakeup call.
No need for immigration laws change for work/travel, especially when it's capped to 90 days.
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#228> While you’ll be responsible for getting proper work authorization, we’re actively partnering with local governments to make it easier for more people to travel and work around the world. Today, 20+ countries offer remote work visas, and more are in the works. While working from different locations isn’t possible for everyone, I hope everyone can benefit from this flexibility when the time is right. I think currentl…
I don’t think they even try to get work visas. A lot of countries have tourist visas up to 90 days. And if you go to a country to work there, but are not paid by a local company, you are basically a tourist.
I think this is what AirBnB are doing. A lot of countries have a requirement for you to reside in it for at least half the year to be able to be taxed there and be considered an employee. A lot of countries allow people to visit for limited time, as long as you don’t interfere with the local job market - e.g being a tourist. Those two are not in conflict and you can do what AirBnB are doing right now, without much more accounting difficulties. Though I’m not an accountant and take my words with a grain of salt.
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#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think a lot of founders and their friends are using the office as a replacement for a healthier separate social circle and social life that they lack (a lot of people lack that, and they do too), so for them they're really just hanging out and like the potential for “increased collaboration” for that reason
(1) Healthiest = great social circle at work that bleeds into social circle out of work (2) Less healthy = great social circle at work, separate great social circle outside of work (3) Even less healthy = no social circle at work (just a job), great social circle outside work (4) Worse = great social circle at work, no social circle outside of work (I never seen this situation. If you have a great social circle at wo…
This is horrible advice
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#230>Most companies don’t do this because of the mountain of complexities with taxes, payroll, and time zone availability, but I hope we can open-source a solution so other companies can offer this flexibility as well. I think this is a genius growth play for Airbnb. Make it easier for _other_ companies to operate in a similar way so that _their_ employees can travel and live in an... Airbnb! Next, they should lobby to g…
> I think everyone wins here. Everyone except the cities that have already lost a quantity of apartments and offices that have been repurposed as AirBnBs...
Why are the cities the losers? I travel a lot for work(300 days/year) and I don’t have an apartment, so when I’m not working I’m pretty much also traveling. Occasionally I use Airbnb and I think it’s a much nicer option than hotels.