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Google almost convinced me to spend $400 on useless laser treatments

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This is a great article. How do we fix it? We are experiencing late stage capitalism at every turn in our lives. I don’t know where to start. Regulations? But Google has moles in every level of government. A real search competitor? It feels impossible to think it could happen at scale. There is a niche for a company that is like the original Google and that could grow. How can we help it succeed?

I don't know that you can fix this. This is what people want. They need to feel like they've researched and made intelligent decisions, even when they haven't. After all, doctors aren't in it to make them feel better, it's all just some big conspiracy to make them more money (sarcasm).

My wife is an oncology surgeon and it's absolutely mindblowing the things her patients tell her or later post on Facebook. One of her latest winners is someone that flew cross country to California to get things like 3D Bio-Scans.

3D you say? That sounds useful. It's a 3D image of you, your cancer, your organs, etc, right? No. I'm taking this straight from their website:

> It has four FDA-approved technologies in one: Pulse Oximetry, Body Composition, Heart Rate Variability (HRV), and Galvanic Skin Response Devices;

Not a damn one of those is going to tell you anything about cancer. And then there's thermagrams, where they basically check your skin temperature to try and diagnose internal medicine, like cancer, colitis, gluten allergies, etc. And people just buy this shit up.

It really just reminds me of Steve Jobs' quote on television:

  When you’re young, you look at television and think, There’s a conspiracy. The networks have conspired to dumb us down. But when you get a little older, you realize that’s not true. The networks are in business to give people exactly what they want. That’s a far more depressing thought. Conspiracy is optimistic! You can shoot the bastards! We can have a revolution! But the networks are really in business to give people what they want. It’s the truth.

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At what point can I just purchase old medical machinery on eBay and run my own blood tests and stuff.

No need to buy the machinery, unless you really want to. You can order your own tests right now from LabCorp and Quest, through sites like requestatest.

Does anyone know of EU based alternatives to the above?

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Its complicated. Technically speaking, if there's any decay in your teeth, that's a cavity. The deeper it is, the faster it'll get worse. When you want to get that filling though, is a judgement call that a lot of dentists make for you sadly. Is it best to go ahead and get those fillings now? Probably, as far as your dental health is concerned. Can it be delayed though and done later? Almost certainly. Just a bigger…

It's not that cut and dry. Just because you have a small carie doesn't mean it's only going to get worse. That's the reason for fluoride in our water, in our toothpaste and in the wax the dentists applies at the end of your cleaning (that for some reason, insurance never wants to pay for). Fluoride treatments and good dental hygiene can reverse carries. Carries should only be treated if they're large, or if they're s…

And did you know dental plaque and tartar are actually protecting your teeth? And just because vanity we want to get it removed?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17016887/

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I've gotten to the point where if Insurance doesnt cover it then I don't get it. I can count on one hand the amount of non covered things that have been helpful in the past.

This policy is what stopped me from getting a treatment from my dentist that involved grinding down my teeth. Google results were mixed on the benefits. Dentist pushed it very hard. It was like $500 so I said no. Teeth have been fine without it.

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I went to a new dentist for a broken filling and they tried to tell me I had 14 cavities and set me down with a finance person to set up a payment plan for how I was going to pay for them over the next 5 years. I went to a second dentist, they fixed the broken filling and said my teeth were otherwise fine. I have the paperwork to back this up. I’d been seeing another dentist for a while and he suddenly wanted to crow…

This was my experience as well. I went to the same dentist office for years with no issues. He sold the practice so we went to the new guy...every single time we went in there was a cavity that needed to be filled. Went to a new dentist and everything is fine again.

My dentist was arrested in the 80's. He gave me three unneeded root canals. He was sniffing laughing gas. Good times....

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I would personally rather be involved in the decision making process related to my very existence rather than just told what to do.

But why? Imagine your grandmother who knows nothing about computers or tech asking you about GPUs and which programming language is best because she's curious about buying Bitcoin vs investing in Ethereum. For someone who can't tell the difference between a screen saver and a computer virus, the discussion is meaningless, and only the illusion of control exists

Not everything is “fixable” in health and sometimes this means that there isn’t one “right” choice for treatment. Involving the patient in the decision making process is important because people have preferences for what is right for them and their life and the doctor can act as a well informed partner in care.

I have multiple sclerosis. There’s not a cure but there is highly effective medication. There’s also less effective medications. The highly effective stuff is various degrees of immunosuppressive or has a risk of fatal brain infection that is manageable with proper testing and monitoring. The less effective stuff can seem “safer” because it lacks these particular risks. A regular neurologist might not know very much at all and give outdated advice and treatment plans compared to some specialists and for this reason advocating for oneself is hugely important as long term outcomes can be greatly different based on the treatment choices. The fact is that you can’t just let “medicine happen to you” because the person that cares the most about your medical outcomes is you. Obviously this is an extreme example but it’s one of many.

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I don't trust dentists. They push and push and push these extra treatments using guilt tactics and most of them are lies to empty your pocketbook. They are in no way like your doctor. Your doctor would never guilt you into a bypass surgery when you don't need it, but a dentist would.

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“ Medicine has become a three-way negotiation between you, your doctor, and The Algorithm.” This characterization makes it sound like a good thing. In reality, the doctor’s responsibility is being pushed to the patient because they are overbooked in the name of economic efficiency. As a patient with complex, non-specific medical condition, I can tell you how miserable this is. I can’t count on doctors _at all_ to mov…

>I can’t count on doctors _at all_ to move the process forward.

This has been my experience as well dealing with fatigue. I was 25 when I finally got diagnosed with sleep apnea, after over a decade of symptoms. How something so common could go unnoticed by the adults and professional doctors in my life astonishes me still today.

Eventually, thanks to ego, I questioned the narrative that I was just normal and lazy. Without the internet, I might not have ever learned that sleep studies even exist.

I was more than half-asleep for all of my schooling, college, and early professional years. I've spent the last 5+ years trying to catch up.

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Why are dentists so scammy? In Norway I've seen documentaries about them sending the same people to multiple dentists, and some of them receive wildly different advice. Some of that can be ascribed to some being in the school of pro-active, so they want to fix your teeth at the first glance of issues. But in the end, most of the things being quoted were unnecessary. They all seemed very intent on removing wisdom teet…

Dentists don’t remove wisdom teeth, they just refer you to an oral surgeon. The problem with wisdom teeth is that they increase maintenance requirements, it’s hard to clean back there and they can affect adjacent teeth if they do go bad. So I get why many dentists default suggest to remove them (I still have mine but recently started running into problems at 47).

Yes, there is a risk of complications with wisdom tooth removal. I was lucky twice, but when I had the lower ones removed, I got an infection blowing up the side of my face with a racketball-sized lump.

The oral surgeon had to prescribe anti-biotics and follow up with a "debridement", reopening the site, draining and flushing it. No fun at all. Also not something that's normally done at a dentist's office.

No way would I have done lower wisdom tooth removal without total-knockout anesthesia (Propofol). For me it's as much about the sensory input, sounds, and visuals of the hardware tools used. With the Propofol, it was a painless "30-minute time-travel" experience but I still felt exhausted for a couple days after the procedure. It's like my body knew what it went through even though I have no memory of it. Apparently this is a common feeling.

The upper wisdom teeth come out easier and heal faster. I had those out with just local anesthetic injections, nitrous oxide, tightly shut eyes, and headphones blasting music.

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