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Google almost convinced me to spend $400 on useless laser treatments

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Re: Google almost convinced me to spend $400 on useless laser treatments

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> In the pre-Szaszian era, medicine was something that happened to you. You would put your health in your doctor's hands and they would unilaterally decide your course of treatment. But in today's patient-centered world, doctors are more like consultants

To be honest I've only seen this level of "patient-centered" stuff in the US. Never heard the phrase "Ask your doctor about xy" anywhere but on US TV. Sometimes pretty hard drugs like psychotropic drugs. When I first head it my response was "WTF, shouldn't the doctor tell you what you need and not the other way around?"

I guess it comes down to the batshit crazy US healthcare system and people losing trust in doctors that give them 40k$ bills for simple treatments or short hospital stays

Re: Google almost convinced me to spend $400 on useless laser treatments

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I have found that dental clinics in the US can be some of the shadiest health related businesses you have to deal with.

There are few independent clinics around. Most of them belong to huge corporate conglomerates that push down shady treatments like this, or offer predatory financing for these “treatments”.

I’ve had only two instances of a health professional outright lying to me and telling me I had a health condition that I didn’t have, and both times were dentists. One of those times was also about periodontal disease, so it seems like this is a common thing.

A good heuristic is that if the treatment isn’t covered at all by insurance it very well might be worthless.

Re: Google almost convinced me to spend $400 on useless laser treatments

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> Laser bacterial reduction (LBR) is just one example of the many high-stakes medical decisions

Whether or not to drop $400 is not a "high-stakes medical decision". Also, expecting Google to give you high-quality medical advice when your actual, licensed, trained dental hygienest is not is asking a lot of a search engine.

Personally I've found sticking "examine.com" on the end of most results to be very useful for anything supplement-related, and "reddit.com" as a suffix pretty good for anything else.

Re: Google almost convinced me to spend $400 on useless laser treatments

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post #4

> In the pre-Szaszian era, medicine was something that happened to you. You would put your health in your doctor's hands and they would unilaterally decide your course of treatment. But in today's patient-centered world, doctors are more like consultants To be honest I've only seen this level of "patient-centered" stuff in the US. Never heard the phrase "Ask your doctor about xy" anywhere but on US TV. Sometimes pret…

> WTF, shouldn't the doctor tell you what you need and not the other way around?

The problem here is that it is the medical professional who is pushing the ineffective treatment.

Re: Google almost convinced me to spend $400 on useless laser treatments

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post #4

> In the pre-Szaszian era, medicine was something that happened to you. You would put your health in your doctor's hands and they would unilaterally decide your course of treatment. But in today's patient-centered world, doctors are more like consultants To be honest I've only seen this level of "patient-centered" stuff in the US. Never heard the phrase "Ask your doctor about xy" anywhere but on US TV. Sometimes pret…

I would personally rather be involved in the decision making process related to my very existence rather than just told what to do.

Re: Google almost convinced me to spend $400 on useless laser treatments

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This is the kind of marketing-driven content I can actually get behind, not joking. Glacier MD at least has the problem right.

What's to stop Glacier from becoming the same as Google for the same reasons? That's a mountain of med ad cash on the table.
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