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Re: Ask HN: What happened to Twitter poison pill?

#271
WSJ has an article about it this morning:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-elon-musk-won-twitter-11650...

freelink: https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-elon-musk-won-twitter-11650...

tldr:

- Making an offer without financing was a 4-D chess negotiating tactic

- Nobody else stepped in to buy it

- Musk was lining up support from other top shareholders

- Twitter's bankers told them it was a good deal

Re: Ask HN: What happened to Twitter poison pill?

#273
To my understanding, the Twitter Board did not own significant shares of the company. Having next to 0 ownership put them in the position of having nothing to gain by refusing to sell Twitter and much to lose in litigation and possibly SEC fines for violating their primary Fiduciary Duty of putting shareholder interests first. Musk offered more for each share than it was worth. Welcome to the world of publicly-traded capitalism.

Anyway, I know the pundits are putting out face-savey type narrative. From my armchair over here, I’m seeing that the board had no choice but to sell.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to Twitter poison pill?

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post #232

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It seems you don’t understand the notion of conditional share ownership. These aren’t bearer bonds or cryptocurrency. Within the corporate structure that allowed you to be issued/sold these shares at the outset are stipulations that the board can liquidate your shares, under certain conditions. Evidently, those conditions have been met. An arbitrary definition of ‘fair’ doesn’t play into it.

I think the question is more to do with how we can have an economic system largely based on shares that can be rug-pulled from under a shareholder at any moment. How come governments don't legislate against it? How come anyone trusts shares enough to buy them? At a guess I'd say the answers to the two questions are "they do legislate against some behaviours, but blocking hostile takeovers is worse than allowing them"…

I think the problem is that a large number of people got used to various trading accounts like ETrade, Robin Hood, etc. and that seeing "N shares of ABC" on a web site means that they actually own the shares. But this is just an abstraction like someone said in another comment. I would encourage you to go and read any brokerage's terms of service that you agreed to when you signed up. Or if you actually managed to get a paper stock, read the fine print. I promise you it will be very interesting :-)

Re: Ask HN: What happened to Twitter poison pill?

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post #198

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The board cannot, by itself, decide the value per share. The board can present its opinion that the deal is fair by approving it, and suggest that all shareholders take this course of action by subjecting the deal for shareholder vote. If the majority of shareholders agree by voting in favor, then the company will be sold, even if a significant minority disagrees, because the company is structured to act according to…

It would be good to get confirmation on this as it contradicts statements upthread saying the board, in USA [though I'd expect it might be specific to a stock market], decided on behalf of the shareholders (to whom they have a duty). Someone noted the UK position required shareholder assent, which sounds like what you're saying here. If shareholders vote that sounds 'fair'. If the board decided and shareholders are o…

If you look at (at least one) of the recent articles (try AP or reuters), the board mentioned that the deal is still subject to both shareholder and regulatory approval. That's where it is. Shareholders still have to vote, and the concept of "fairness" will be roughly equal to that of democratic elections. Sometimes the majority votes for a thing and the minority has to accept it in order to make progress.

The board basically voted to stop standing in the way of the deal and submit it to shareholders themselves since they confirmed that A) it seems like an ok deal and B) it's likely to not waste everyone's time.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to Twitter poison pill?

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post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The board cannot, by itself, decide the value per share. The board can present its opinion that the deal is fair by approving it, and suggest that all shareholders take this course of action by subjecting the deal for shareholder vote. If the majority of shareholders agree by voting in favor, then the company will be sold, even if a significant minority disagrees, because the company is structured to act according to…

It would be good to get confirmation on this as it contradicts statements upthread saying the board, in USA [though I'd expect it might be specific to a stock market], decided on behalf of the shareholders (to whom they have a duty). Someone noted the UK position required shareholder assent, which sounds like what you're saying here. If shareholders vote that sounds 'fair'. If the board decided and shareholders are o…

It's a bit messy. Legally the board has to act in the best interest of all shareholders. In actual trials the judges tend to defer to the board's business judgment since they are intimately involved with the company's strategy and operations, unless the opposing shareholders can provide evidence of equal experience or understanding of business. In practice however, sitting on a company's board is a job, and the directors mostly do what the shareholders want to protect their career and professional image.

In this case, Reuters reported here https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-twitter-set-acc... that the deal is subject to shareholders vote before it can be closed.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to Twitter poison pill?

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Musk probably had to overpay, otherwise they wouldn't want to sell it.

Of course. It is standard to pay a premium over the share price in this situation.

We're not talking about the share price, we're talking about the company's projected valuation.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to Twitter poison pill?

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post #77

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Does anyone know if the terms were made more favourable to Twitter since the adoption of the Poison Pill?

I think that, as far as the public is aware, there weren't terms prior to the adoption of the poison pill. Musk bought a bunch of shares, and was looking to buy more. The poison pill was the board preemptively saying "we see what you're doing, and you have to go through us to accomplish it".

This is not true. The poison pill was in response to Musk's original offer.

> Twitter adopted a limited duration shareholder rights plan, often called a “poison pill,” a day after billionaire Elon Musk offered to buy the company for $43 billion, the company announced Friday.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/15/twitter-board-adopts-poison-...

Re: Ask HN: What happened to Twitter poison pill?

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post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the question is more to do with how we can have an economic system largely based on shares that can be rug-pulled from under a shareholder at any moment. How come governments don't legislate against it? How come anyone trusts shares enough to buy them? At a guess I'd say the answers to the two questions are "they do legislate against some behaviours, but blocking hostile takeovers is worse than allowing them"…

I think the problem is that a large number of people got used to various trading accounts like ETrade, Robin Hood, etc. and that seeing "N shares of ABC" on a web site means that they actually own the shares. But this is just an abstraction like someone said in another comment. I would encourage you to go and read any brokerage's terms of service that you agreed to when you signed up. Or if you actually managed to ge…

I personally am aware that shares are a very limited form of ownership and gave my personal answers for why I accept that, but the meta-level question that was raised by krick earlier still stands, which is how everyone else in the world sees it and goes "yep, that's totally fair, we don't need to fix this."

Re: Ask HN: What happened to Twitter poison pill?

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post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the question is more to do with how we can have an economic system largely based on shares that can be rug-pulled from under a shareholder at any moment. How come governments don't legislate against it? How come anyone trusts shares enough to buy them? At a guess I'd say the answers to the two questions are "they do legislate against some behaviours, but blocking hostile takeovers is worse than allowing them"…

A healthy control premium over the market price for a publicly traded stock is a bit far and away from being "rugpulled"

Yes, and I think krick was asking what happens when something closer to a rugpull happens.
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