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Re: Show HN: We launched a new web browser

#131

Do any of the Chrome forks explicitly work together? The standard IT pattern seems to be a dominant corporation vs a ragtag of small groups. The browsers wars have already gone through this cycle and the ragtag group won the last time. But there were also lots of speciality browsers built on IE and it's hard to tell where any new Chrome fork browser stands.

Imagine a world where Microsoft, Mozilla, Google, Apple were cooperating and building interconnecting blocks of a modern browser since the early 2000s. Instead, MS discontinued Edge, Mozilla has only 2% market share (still big in global terms), and 90% of the internet traffic is basically running on Chrome. No innovation is possible that is not in-line with the direction the upstream, or at the increasing cost of constant catching up to updates.

Re: Show HN: We launched a new web browser

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> i would like an open source browser that shares data collected from all its users. so the public can have access to the types of data google et al have. That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. The public once got a hold of a sample of the anonymized searches of AOL customers and it didn't take long for individuals to get identified. The amount of data google has on people goes far beyond the things they sear…

> "I'm pretty sure that if the data google has were ever made available to the public, as soon as the first congress person reviewed their own dossier we'd see laws passed very quickly banning the use of that data and perhaps even preventing it from being collected in the first place." And now consider the alternative world, the one we happen to live in, where it's all private unless it somehow ends up getting "hacke…

You aren't wrong. The amount of power Google has is outright dangerous. Amazon and Microsoft aren't far behind. To make matters worse, we should assume the state has every scrap of data these companies have collected as well. It's a lot of power to have and I imagine it could be used to quickly identify upcoming threats to those in power while also providing a lot of ammo to use against them.

Re: Show HN: We launched a new web browser

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26 days a go this topped HN: SerenityOS Browser now passes the Acid3 test ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30853392 ) That is a new browser from scratch, (well actually, it is a full OS from scratch). I got the impression this is developed by very few persons. So to answer your rhetorical questions: Q: who could? A: Andreas Kling, Linus Groh and Sam Atkins Q: why? A: Because they want to use it. "This is a syst…

> Andreas Kling Mar 30 > There's still a long way to go before it's usable for daily browsing. For example we need to improve support for flexbox, grid and table layouts. Performance also needs work. > Our JavaScript engine is decently mature, test262 score tracked here: https://libjs.dev/test262/ In a few years when they have achieved feature parity with Chromium or at least Safari we can discuss this again, but for…

Hahaha, I don't think a project as monumental as a browser deserves such dismissiveness. Let's not forget that Mozilla's full rust browser has not achieved (and never will) feature parity with safari or chrome either, and they invested far more man power and time into it.

The lone effort of a handful of developers that got equally far is worthy of a mention as a "new browser" even if it's not fit for human consumption yet.

Re: Show HN: We launched a new web browser

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You launched a version of chrome, not a new web browser :/

Eh. People say "a new OS" when talking about a new Linux based distro. A new Chromium based browser is apt. I think the ship has sailed and we won't have a new browser from scratch any time soon. If two of the richest companies in the world can't do it ( Apple's Safari is always late with features, has significant bugs; MS abandoned their Edge), who could and why? What would be the value add over just using Chromium?…

It depends. If you just want to support HTML, it's very easy. If you decide to support CSS, it's tedious but possible. If you decide to support JavaScript, it's theoretically possible, but you would need hundreds of millions of dollars, and you will be behind Chrome and Firefox anyway. On the top of that, there is the issue of DRM that is extremely difficult to solve for smaller vendors, and without it your browser will be crippled.

Re: Show HN: We launched a new web browser

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post #130

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> Andreas Kling Mar 30 > There's still a long way to go before it's usable for daily browsing. For example we need to improve support for flexbox, grid and table layouts. Performance also needs work. > Our JavaScript engine is decently mature, test262 score tracked here: https://libjs.dev/test262/ In a few years when they have achieved feature parity with Chromium or at least Safari we can discuss this again, but for…

Hahaha, I don't think a project as monumental as a browser deserves such dismissiveness. Let's not forget that Mozilla's full rust browser has not achieved (and never will) feature parity with safari or chrome either, and they invested far more man power and time into it. The lone effort of a handful of developers that got equally far is worthy of a mention as a "new browser" even if it's not fit for human consumptio…

Yeah I remember the first Mozilla builds in the early 2000s. They were awful. Everything crashed constantly. It was such a memory hog. fast forward twenty years and I use it on a daily basis, and I'm so happy I'm not forced to use Chrome (not to mention some abominations from the past like IE with ActiveX - and at some point such setups were mandatory in order to access some services).

Re: Show HN: We launched a new web browser

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post #122
post #118

You launched a version of chrome, not a new web browser :/

Eh. People say "a new OS" when talking about a new Linux based distro. A new Chromium based browser is apt. I think the ship has sailed and we won't have a new browser from scratch any time soon. If two of the richest companies in the world can't do it ( Apple's Safari is always late with features, has significant bugs; MS abandoned their Edge), who could and why? What would be the value add over just using Chromium?…

> Eh. People say "a new OS" when talking about a new Linux based distro. A new Chromium based browser is apt.

Really? Who are these people, and where are they saying this thing?

Re: Show HN: We launched a new web browser

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post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh. People say "a new OS" when talking about a new Linux based distro. A new Chromium based browser is apt. I think the ship has sailed and we won't have a new browser from scratch any time soon. If two of the richest companies in the world can't do it ( Apple's Safari is always late with features, has significant bugs; MS abandoned their Edge), who could and why? What would be the value add over just using Chromium?…

> we won't have a new browser from scratch any time soon What about Flow? It's a a clean-slate closed-source browser and engine, designed to make effective use of parallelism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(web_browser)

> closed-source

Aaaand I'm out. Still not over Opera abandoning presto. With open source there's at least a chance it can be continued by someone else.

Re: Show HN: We launched a new web browser

#139

All the .eth crap makes me gag and recoil, but DANE seems worth investigating.

Why do blockchain-based name systems (or ENS specifically) make you "gag and recoil?"

Proof of stake for one, and the cult it’s built on. Shouldn’t need to be said.

Re: Show HN: We launched a new web browser

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Yet Another Chromium Fork. In a way, it's almost a shame Chrome was open sourced through Chromium. Maybe if it weren't, we'd have a healthier, more diverse browser ecosystem.

As much as I lament the same thing. I think it’s more likely we’d just have nothing.

I doubt Chrome would be in a position it is if it wasn’t open source. After all blink just started off as a fork of webkit (which was a fork of KHTML..). Had they had to build a browser from scratch it would had taken them years to have something that could compete with IE, FF and Safari. Also Apple didn’t seem to be very interested in promoting the Windows version of Safari, so it was basically the only webkit browser most people would even has access to.
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