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Gen Z does not dream of labor

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Re: Gen Z does not dream of labor

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> We still have zero hope of affording a house, let alone retirement. This is ridiculous. If that’s actually true, move . Lower your expenses. Figure out something else.

Moving thousands of miles sucks . Leaving all of your family, friends, and work is an enormous disruption to a life.

Life isn’t easy. Sometimes you have to make hard choices. What’s your point?

Re: Gen Z does not dream of labor

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> We still have zero hope of affording a house, let alone retirement. This is ridiculous. If that’s actually true, move . Lower your expenses. Figure out something else.

Leaving your support network while already struggling means that things like free childcare from family now needs to be made up for with professional childcare, career prospects can be lower without your professional network, and should you fall on hard times, like being laid off, divorced or getting sick/injured, you can end up in a much deeper hole than you would in place with a support network that can help you ge…

Okay, then if the solution to unsustainable circumstances isn’t making changes to your own circumstances that are well within your power, what is the solution?

Re: Gen Z does not dream of labor

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Plumbers and pipefitters have a union that has plenty of power in current market. No health insurance and they won't work. Plumbing pays more than 80k in major cities. Plumbing contractors have to carry workers comp insurance.

Having grown up in a rural area, I assure you that any unions or health coverage is a strictly urban phenomenon. And $80k isn't all that great of a top-end, for people living in major cities with their cost of living.

I did some quick lookups from BLS and other salary sources for my (mid sized southern US MSA) sometime back and yeah the median and mean wages for a lot of skilled labor and trade positions are pretty damn close to what a lot of clerical type office jobs were paying. I.E. not great, probably livable. I’ll see if I can go back through and find my comment.

Re: Gen Z does not dream of labor

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This article just sounds like stereotyping to me It sounds like the author is just projecting their own values onto the upcoming generation, viz "Gen Z cares about X" when really the author just cherry picks stuff that reaffirms his/her values I refuse to buy into any of this "Gen Z thinks X" or "Millennials think X" BS. The armchair sociologists should go out and actually contribute something worthwhile to society a…

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room.

Re: Gen Z does not dream of labor

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I still live there, a suburb of Portland OR. I locked in a cheap apartment years ago that's now rent controlled, which makes my situation possible. I currently pay about half what new renters pay. Without it, I'd be stuck in wage-slavery anyways and couldn't take the time to self-improve like this. Moving is an option (my partner has restrictions: No states with anti-abortion laws, which removes many inexpensive plac…

That is an oddly-specific restriction your partner is demanding.

I wouldn't choose to raise my daughter in a place that would penalize or prevent her from getting the healthcare she needs because of other people's feelings about that care, and I certainly wouldn't want to be penalized for helping her, either. Same would go for any female in my family.

Re: Gen Z does not dream of labor

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I agree, but I struggled with the wording to covey that I did not come from a wealthy family with a trust fund or something like that We are a "normal" midwest 2 parent household, in the 50th percentile of income band for the region. My over arching point is there has to be some personal accountability. it is easy to be a victim, blame the system, blame rich people, blame everyone but yourself for your own circumstan…

>it is easy to be a victim When you are one major accident or illness away from losing everything you have saved is kind of makes sense to blame those who have fought so hard to make sure typical people don't have access to effective health care at a reasonable cost.

illness or injury yes, as that would prevent me from working, and earning the money I do today

Medical costs however would not the cause of my problems as even in the worst case I would be protected by bankruptcy laws would would allow me to discharge my medical debt while keeping my primary home, and a significant chunk of my personal possessions.

Re: Gen Z does not dream of labor

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This article just sounds like stereotyping to me It sounds like the author is just projecting their own values onto the upcoming generation, viz "Gen Z cares about X" when really the author just cherry picks stuff that reaffirms his/her values I refuse to buy into any of this "Gen Z thinks X" or "Millennials think X" BS. The armchair sociologists should go out and actually contribute something worthwhile to society a…

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room.

-- Kenneth John Freeman, 1907

Re: Gen Z does not dream of labor

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Growing, but still rural city in the Midwest I visited a few weeks back has decent homes for sale in the 50-80k range. This is not an outlier. Roughly 2/3 of Americans own homes. If you live in an area where homes are priced like luxury investments, then yes, you'll have a hard time buying when you also cannot afford other luxuries. If you live in an area where they are not, it isn't unattainable at all, especially i…

In those places the wages are also considerably lower. The 2/3 are not the people buying, it's the people inheriting existing property: First-Time buyers only make up 33% of home owners.

Considering how long the average family stays in a home without moving, the first time buyer number sounds about right, sans the inheritance bit. I don't know of anyone who kept a home passed on by their parents except for cottages and cabins in the woods. Those typically aren't meant for year round residence anyway.

Re: Gen Z does not dream of labor

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The cost of a house has spiked to over 7x median income in the US, in a very short time. That's put buying a house out of reach for many people. Hopefully the bubble will burst -- but who knows? It could drag on for a very long time. Historically, the cost of a house has hovered around 4.5 to 5.5x annual median income. It's currently at the highest level it's ever been, at least according to this graph: https://www.l…

What about factoring in interest rates? After all, people ultimately care about the monthly payments than about the sticker price.

For those in the US who generally fix their mortgages for full-term (25-30 years), this will definitely be offering some relief.

In places like the UK we have the same phenomenon but most people are on 2-5 year fixed rates.

Re: Gen Z does not dream of labor

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Moving thousands of miles sucks . Leaving all of your family, friends, and work is an enormous disruption to a life.

Life isn’t easy. Sometimes you have to make hard choices. What’s your point?

It is still reasonable to call it a broken system even if "move to Idaho" is an option.
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