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No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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It sounds more like the author wants "elites" to preach what they practice.

They largely do? Divorce rates are much higher among people with lower educational attainment

Recently I've noticed that divorce rates amongst the richest are actually quite high too. Gates, Bezos, and Musk are all divorcees and Buffet has had an open marriage situation for something like decades I believe. Just something I found interesting.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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I can appreciate this perspective because I used to have it. I even wrote a similar blog post 10 years ago - it was on the top of HN and the comment section was a beautiful shitshow. For me, this perspective was a good story to tell myself - it justified why I was only investing my time in “work”, and validated me for having “come so far”. Over time, I have reflected and shifted this perspective. That reflection cent…

Can’t you invalidate all social commentary with this argument? Surely there are trends in society that can be remarked on generally.

I agree with what you're getting at. The prevailing belief in social science is that it's impossible to eliminate bias from your analysis of the world. In fact, I think many social scientists think that quantitative folks are kidding themselves when they think their clever statistical methods are free from their own personal biases.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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>In 1960, across social classes, the vast majority of children were raised by both of their birth parents. By 2005, there was a massive divergence.

Could it simply be because in the 60s women were more dependent on men and their income than nowadays?

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post #317

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If that's the case then the USA is superior to all but a few European democracies per capita and all of them nominally? Even Massachusetts would be superior than every European country per capita.

I don’t understand: are you talking about PPP GDP per capita? I agree that the US optimizes for that, but it doesn’t translate into higher quality of life by metrics like life expectancy, literacy, leisure time, malnutrition, proportion of “precariat” etc.

Yes, hence my original question.

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I hate to be "that guy", but you guys have this whole thing backwards. What men do is based on what men want. What men want is sex. If sex is free then you can have all the liberal or conservative values you want, but it won't cause those men to work harder. Why? Because sex is free. Full stop. If sex costs more than most men will ever have, then you can have all the liberal or conservative values you want, most men…

Liberals and conservatives agree on the basics and disagree on the scope - which is why conservatives are always defending the so-called “liberal” policies of a generation ago. Admitting the base and vulgar nature of humans puts the whole concept of a liberal democracy at risk.

If it's admitting the truth, then it should be at risk. Anything else is just delaying the inevitable and not planning adequately for its arrival in the meantime.

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Do people find this stuff compelling? Rank speculation and confident assertion with minimal substantive backing? I’d find this statement equally compelling (which is to say, not at all): > Since we stopped using horses as a primary means of transportation, men’s sense of self worth has diminished. Riding a horse carried a lot of high status connotations: drive, masculinity, towering above the land, and man’s dominati…

Nicely articulate point, that you for taking the time.

There is a certain class of very smart, articulate and well-thinking people. They are very good at arguing and dismissing and coming up with all sorts of valid reasons for all sorts of ideas. I find they detract the conversation a lot, instead of adding substance. I refer to the nebulous group of them as the "Intelligentsia", borrowed from others though.

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I'm 100% sure you're not part of such a community. Neither am I, of course :) When polled, poor black people want more policing, despite also agreeing with much of the defunder critique. Knowing both options, they prefer flawed policing to being ruled by criminal gangs.

Im not American. The Americans I do know who really hate defund are the very definition of latte swilling liberals complaining about crime going up in their nice suburbs in SF, Portland and Seattle while... complaining bitterly about rich white liberals. The one supporter I do know lives a few blocks from George Floyd although the slogan seems to mean something different to her (transfer funds and responsibilities fo…

That's what most people mean when they say "defund". The problem is that America has an issue with being reactive instead of proactive. Instead of treating drugs and crime as an economics issue and getting ahead of it with social policies, we react to it after the fact and criminalize everything and pay for a standing army with zero accountability. Creating an arms race between gangs and police, with the average citizen paying twice-- once with their taxes and again with their freedoms.

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> Children living with both biological parents > Affluent families in 1960: 95% > Working class families in 1960: 95% > Affluent families in 2005: 85% > Working class families in 2005: 30% Ok. Maybe that has something to do with this: More than six out of every ten American households (64.7%) in the bottom fifth of households by income had no earners in 2020. In contrast, only 4.5% of the households in the top fifth…

>bottom fifth of households by income had no earners in 2020 Can we not use covid era numbers? A whole bunch of people were earning more money by not working during and taking unemployment during covid. You can't make social conclusions about economics during those distorted times.

Ok here’s the 2019 number: 60.8%.

https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/cps/tables/hinc-05/...

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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That is great. I am glad that you were able to make this change! It was not until we had our own children that I truly understood (or maybe appreciated) when my mom would say "After all I have done for you" OR "Thats why we can never have anything nice"... HAHAH. I love it. totally relate now. On a serious side note. I think many (including us) highly underestimate how much time children require.

Having come from a large family, I never realized that people didn't understand just how much work kids are. It's relentless. My wife is regularly astonished. I'm lucky to have been able to stop at one. I would have preferred married but childless but I'll take married to her over any other option, so I compromised. At with just one, we aren't spread so thin.

I was an only child. My wife has a brother. We felt it was important for our children to have siblings to have the opportunity for sibling relationships in adulthood.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Is this a bad thing? The US was founded by immigrants. Immigration, diversity, and the US’ history with these topics (good and bad) is huge part of the national cultural identity. As a US citizen, I think as long as we can maintain the cornerstones of our national heritage (democratic traditions, constitutional freedoms, etc) it should be fine if things change to reflect the demographics of our population.

Early US immigrants were pioneers wanting to carve a civilization on new continent. Would you consider the rule of law as a cornerstone of our national heritage? So many of today's immigrants seem to have little regard, evidenced by their illegal entry.

Like the Irish? Or the Chinese? Or the Italians? They came here as pioneers? Or did they come looking for something better than what they were offered? Remember, we treated them like shit too. Maybe hating immigrants is a corner-stone of America...

There are opportunists everywhere. I'm sure not everyone coming from our southern border is going to be someone I want in my neighborhood but that doesn't mean so many people aren't just looking for an escape from danger. Would you break a law to save your own life? To protect your family? Is penalizing people in these circumstances truly just? Does it make you a good person?

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