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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by strbean »

davidcsally wrote: post #365
kbenson wrote: post #353

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It is. Sonic in northern California. More places soon, but scaling out physical infrastructure build has its own learning curve and often larger lead times. :)

Just got hooked up in Oakland and loving it! Paying $70 less per month vs Comcast

I was in Dogtown a year ago, but Sonic was just reselling AT&T to our address :(

Still very worthwhile to not have to talk to a Telco, but I had to rent + use AT&Ts garbage router because it did some proprietary negotiation step (With the ONT? There was a blog post where someone reverse engineered what was happening).

Now I'm in a smaller city and Sonic claims they have plans for us some day. For the time being, it's the Comcast nightmare.

Edit: and AT&T fiber was asymmetrical. Disappoint.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by rayiner »

throwaway290 wrote: post #436
rayiner wrote: post #434

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> I understand if this comes across as pedantry but the global north and south terminology does a better job at leveling the playing field when talking about wealth and progress disparities. How? South Korea, Japan, and Singapore are richer than France or Spain now. As nations develop the geographic terminology makes less and less sense. Developing nation is much more accurate.

Developing vs. developed country is always relative, and the term and the implied benchmark is set by developed countries. In other words, effectively developed = what we are, developing = trying to be what we are. It also places unnecessary upper bound on progress (if you call yourself developed, I guess you can stop developing then?). Ultimately it is forcing a finite game onto the world. Global south sounds like a…

> In other words, effectively developed = what we are, developing = trying to be what we are.

That’s the plan, yes.

> Ultimately it is forcing a finite game onto the world. Global south sounds like a better term.

Except that it’s geographically inaccurate as well as kind of racist. Japan, Singapore, and Korea can get richer than France or Spain, but they still get lumped in with the other non-white people in “the global south.”

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by redisman »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #325
thfuran wrote: post #312

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That seems like bad jargon.

Most people's mental map has basically all of Africa in the southern hemisphere, but geographically that is far from the case. We have 195 countries in the world and only 33 of those are entirely on the southern hemisphere. Here is one example of an illustrative map: https://i.redd.it/w2tv9dda1xzy.png

Whoever came up with the term must think that the “south” starts at the tip of Italy

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by redisman »

rayiner wrote: post #286
ggpsv wrote: post #191

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This is term is commonly misused as it originally referred to countries beyond the Cold War's NATO/USSR denominations. Today the parent likely refers to a country in the global south or a "developing" nation. I'm from what used to be a third-world country in the strict sense of term, I'd now refer to my country as a country in the global south.

What’s the “global south?”

Poor countries

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by s3233323 »

arcade79 wrote: post #397
antihero wrote: post #270

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What exactly about gis/satellite data required such an insane uplink?

What exactly is insane about it? I was surprised when my parents had 1Gbit in 2009. I was delighted when I could get 500Mbit in 2013. I'm slightly miffed that I don't even get 1Gbit in 2022. I literally laugh at providers attempting to convince me to get whatever with 10 or 20Mbit uplink speeds, in 2022l Yes, they exist. Anyhow. What's insane about a 10Gbit uplink? I wired up my apartment for 1Gbit in 2001. I've been…

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by merlyn »

antihero wrote: post #270
zhdc1 wrote: post #144

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> Can you share, at least vaguely, what was your work? We work with gis/satellite data. Nothing groundbreaking technically, but we aggregate it into products that are useful for social science researchers who aren’t comfortable with or don’t have the computing resources to use this data by themselves.

What exactly about gis/satellite data required such an insane uplink?

25Gbps is not insane if you are using commodity hardware. If you are buying any sort of datacenter switch, most likely it will be 25G/100G already. 10G/40G is dead tech.

Now, 400G uplinks are still pretty reserved, but 100G (and its' breakout, 4 x 25G) is common as dirt now.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by vxNsr »

mackeyja92 wrote: post #425
kbenson wrote: post #193

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> Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do is to route 1Gbit. Having your uplink faster than all your individual ports in a network helps prevent any one port from being able to saturate your network. I work at an ISP that within the last year started selling 10Gbit symmetric, and we all sorta know there's not a huge use for it - yet. It's not really an issue for use to justify though, we don't char…

Slightly off topic, but have you heard of Utopia? They’re a municipality in Utah. They run the fiber for a flat fee to customers and let any ISPs sell on it. Currently ~10-15 ISPs. Your guys pricing would absolutely stomp these ISPs. Have y’all considered jumping on these kinds of opportunities? No need to run cable and can just start accessing 100k+ Utah customers. Ripe for disruption.

I know nothing about your story, but based on what you said it sounds like it’s optimized already and the line-use fees+admin overhead pretty much explains why no one can offer better pricing. Again I know only what you wrote here, but that’s my uninformed opinion.

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Post by kayoone »

microtonal wrote: post #333
pph wrote: post #261

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The drawback is that cable it is a shared medium, so it can be quite bad when demand is high (in the evening) and the upload bandwidth usually is very low.

Lived in Germany for 5 years and cable internet was generally terrible. We had 200/20MBit. But the actual upstream would often be 1MBit. Downstream was better but at many times not great. There would also be regular outages, that would take hours to solve. The only alternative was VDSL with a maximum downstream of 50MBit. We moved back to NL and have 1GBit fiber, and there has been a short outage once in three years.…

The whole thing is quite a bit easier in a small country like NL though.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by mackeyja92 »

vxNsr wrote: post #448
mackeyja92 wrote: post #425

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Slightly off topic, but have you heard of Utopia? They’re a municipality in Utah. They run the fiber for a flat fee to customers and let any ISPs sell on it. Currently ~10-15 ISPs. Your guys pricing would absolutely stomp these ISPs. Have y’all considered jumping on these kinds of opportunities? No need to run cable and can just start accessing 100k+ Utah customers. Ripe for disruption.

I know nothing about your story, but based on what you said it sounds like it’s optimized already and the line-use fees+admin overhead pretty much explains why no one can offer better pricing. Again I know only what you wrote here, but that’s my uninformed opinion.

I’m not sure. The ISPs are charging $150+ for 10G plus you pay Utopia network $30/mo for the fiber line. So $180/mo total for the cheapest ISP.
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