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“Multiple personality disorder” probably doesn't exist

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Re: “Multiple personality disorder” probably doesn't exist

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Post by jollybean »

FooBarBizBazz wrote: post #126
rob_c wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm fairly sure most of the 'dominionist' christian politics was based on expansionist bigotry, i.e. "lets go beat god into the heathens" and "cold is gods way of telling us we need to burn more protestants". The modern victimhood isn't based on hiding in attacks, priest holes or being afraid to show your face in public, it's being a screaming matyr to some slight, imagined or not, and demanding the same level of att…

> "cold is gods way of telling us we need to burn more protestants". What? Christian Dominianists typically are Protestants, last I checked. (Yes, American Catholics do contain a faction that's been shifting right, and there's a whole Wikipedia article about "Integralism", but this is not the kind of thing you usually find from them...) But yeah, there are strains of Christianity that really like the "Romans fed us t…

" there are strains of Christianity that really like the "Romans fed us to the lions" stories."

" most tribes do this in one way or another. Not all, but a good fraction. That they defend those stories to the end, a"

Please, no, this is ridiculous. Neither Catholics nor mainstream Protestants do this. I'm sure it's real, somewhere in America, but it's not really a thing.

Re: “Multiple personality disorder” probably doesn't exist

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Post by throw_m239339 »

Tao331 wrote: post #120
throw_m239339 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The phenomenon of mental illness & trauma-based clout is intriguing and I don’t really understand it. Society right now likes to reward people who seek some form of victimhood, so it's no surprise people would fraudulently claim they are victims for internet brownie points, or donations... it's just an aspect of our ultra narcissistic society, tik tok driven.

I don't think it's necessarily what I'd call narcissism. We look back on history and see people championing causes and things for real victims, e.g. the civil rights movement. I think a lot of people feel a weird guilt at not having a chance to be one of these great, celebrated people or someone fighting that struggle. Or maybe it is narcissism and it's a selfish desire to say "look at how much better we left the wor…

> I don't think it's necessarily what I'd call narcissism. We look back on history and see people championing causes and things for real victims, e.g. the civil rights movement. I think a lot of people feel a weird guilt at not having a chance to be one of these great, celebrated people or someone fighting that struggle.

We're here talking about people on social media who are faking mental illness for attention or personal gain, that's the very definition of narcissism.

Re: “Multiple personality disorder” probably doesn't exist

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Post by jollybean »

Barrin92 wrote: post #40

Yet another entry in the emerging genre of making an entirely uncontroversial point (criticizing people for glorifying and faking mental illness for attention), followed by the second half which is the author complaining about how everyone silences him for saying brave truths. Much better than false victimhood due do fake mental illness to get clicks on tiktok is of course false victimhood due to fake controversial j…

No, the false victimhood and invented identities on TikTok are 100x bigger than the very random bored people on substack claiming victimhood.

The former is an artifact of current pop culture, the later is irrelevant.

Re: “Multiple personality disorder” probably doesn't exist

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Post by pnathan »

thelettere wrote: post #94
pnathan wrote: post #46

I'm friends with someone who has clinical DID. It is, as near as I can tell, not induced by media, etc, but by extreme and profound trauma. > The people who have traditionally been treated for DID have suffered, greatly, and not in the cool arty time-to-dye-my-hair-again type of suffering common to social media performance, but actual, painful, pitiable suffering. Those patients who have been diagnosed in the past wi…

Dude has exactly zero expertise in the field or experience with this population, and yet he makes these kinds of claims. And all based on an article or two he found. Pathetic. Almost every psychiatric diagnosis is problematic, and articles questioning any's validity can be dug up. Doesn't mean the emotional/cognitive/behavioral cluster does not exist. The link between trauma and disassociation is incontrovertible, an…

> The only thing the article adds is a critique of a Tik-tok sub-culture. Color me shocked that this is not a particularly enlightened group - but I guess this is the kind of hard-hitting "journalism" popular Substacks were made for.

there's definitely a _thing_ where certain mental illnesses are - imo - social media gamed for clout/followers. DID is apparently a popular one for that. I've seen it a bit.

guy should have looked more at the literature though.....

Re: “Multiple personality disorder” probably doesn't exist

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Post by jollybean »

pessimizer wrote: post #84
reilly3000 wrote: post #57

The phenomenon of mental illness & trauma-based clout is intriguing and I don’t really understand it. Certainly a conservative trope for the balance of my life has been one of victimhood, from the notion of a persecuted majority to the plight of small business ownership. If it’s a liberal trope to be victim of one’s genetic makeup and life experiences the logical conclusion is that one shouldn’t feel remorse for not…

> The phenomenon of mental illness & trauma-based clout is intriguing and I don’t really understand it. The original sin is the convention that punishment for crimes shouldn't be determined by the type of crime and the guilt of the defendant. Instead, it's normal to start with that to get a guideline, then choose from within that guideline based decisively on the degree of empathy and pity that the judge and/or jury…

Yes - but now rephrase all of that outside the scope of the Justice System because while it's relevant, it's actually secondary.

Victim signalling is likely something that runs really, really deep in human psyche.

There are these really cute cats on TikTok that pretend to 'limp' without use of one of their paws to get attention, ostensibly playing on this kind of emotive empathy at a mammelian level.

As babies, we cry for every reason, because it's the only way we have to communicate.

So it's starts right there: victim status and victim signalling as entirely different class of social activity, with differing effects.

I guess if you have a good life, it's easy to lack empathy, and if you're reminded of your actual oppression quite often, then it's easy to not only empathize, but to see oppression under every rock, that it's a universal and material condition of one's existence, i.e. to become identified with it etc..

But this: "crybullies" - that's a very good term. We need to use that.

Re: “Multiple personality disorder” probably doesn't exist

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Post by tus666 »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #99
tus666 wrote: post #75

> DID is often presented as a kind of get-of-accountability-free card, as someone who claims to have it can always say that past bad behavior was caused by another personality and is thus not their responsibility. Isn't that basically mental illness in general? > fabrications shaped by therapists who insist that traumatic events must have happened It seems that the idea of trauma (especially childhood) itself remains…

> Isn't that basically mental illness in general? I’m puzzled by this question. Are you suggesting that all mental illness allows the one suffering to abdicate “past bad behavior”?

I was saying it often is used as an excuse in legal proceedings. I don't really have an opinion if that is right or not.

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Post by meowface »

Elof wrote: post #54
MaxLeiter wrote: post #18

I found the intro on multiple personality disorder and tiktok interesting, but the article is really about politics, which isn’t reflected in the title. I lost interest when he mentioned leftists

Closing with people on the other side aren't going to agree with me makes me think this person likes stirring the pot and getting attention, which is one of the things called out as dangerous in their argument. FWIW, I think lots of people self diagnose for attention and I absolutely agree that mental health shouldn't be something we laud (we should normalize it though) even though the author would almost definitely…

The author is himself a prominent leftist blogger, so this is kind of an "intra-leftism" dispute.

Re: “Multiple personality disorder” probably doesn't exist

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Post by FooBarBizBazz »

jollybean wrote: post #131
FooBarBizBazz wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "cold is gods way of telling us we need to burn more protestants". What? Christian Dominianists typically are Protestants, last I checked. (Yes, American Catholics do contain a faction that's been shifting right, and there's a whole Wikipedia article about "Integralism", but this is not the kind of thing you usually find from them...) But yeah, there are strains of Christianity that really like the "Romans fed us t…

" there are strains of Christianity that really like the "Romans fed us to the lions" stories." " most tribes do this in one way or another. Not all, but a good fraction. That they defend those stories to the end, a" Please, no, this is ridiculous. Neither Catholics nor mainstream Protestants do this. I'm sure it's real, somewhere in America, but it's not really a thing.

You're right, of course. This is not mainstream in any denomination. I should be clear about that.

It's a little like saying "Wahhabists are typically Sunnis". Well, yes, but most Sunnis are not Wahhabists.

Also, when I said "most tribes" I did not strictly have Christian denominations in mind. But rather all sorts of national identities, &etc. Lots of historical grievance on parade, left and right.

Re: “Multiple personality disorder” probably doesn't exist

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Post by smegsicle »

rectang wrote: post #89
smegsicle wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://hnrankings.info/31128272/ the Operators deemed your story Fit for Reevaluation

Manual intervention by the mods would be strange for such a stridently partisan article, given this bit from the guidelines: > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.

it's getting a lot of discussion, so seems like it was a good call

you feel like the article is unfairly biased towards one political party?

Re: “Multiple personality disorder” probably doesn't exist

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Post by pksebben »

moth-fuzz wrote: post #98

This article is chock full of cynicism with no actual factual reasoning. Deeply reactionary and without any actual point. A polemic, at best. Need I count the number of references to tumblr, tiktok, social media memes, dyed-hair left-leaning millennials with quirky personalities? All that self-victimization, which is all for the purpose of, let me guess, attention ? You're the one writing articles on the internet, my…

came here to say it, but you said it better. If the first legitimate-sounding resource mentioned is cherry picked from the early oughts, you might be reading garbage.
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