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“Multiple personality disorder” probably doesn't exist

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Whatever you do, don't get caught up in this. It's a slippery slope. We aren't in control of our thoughts. Lucidity and ability to reason are fleeting. Most people take it for granted and don't realize as its slipping away. I've seen it in the elderly, and my friends who took too many drugs and never came back. Keep in mind the commenter is literally describing a mental illness in a way that makes it sound positive.…

Relax, it's not like I'm going to try it :] Besides, most people would not want something like this to happen to them anyway, you already have to be a weird person to attempt something like this

Can confirm, I'm really fucking weird.

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Eh, I understand the concern because it freaked me out (and sometimes still freaks me out) too. I keep a close eye on it. Thing is, mental illness is defined by a mental state that causes distress for oneself or the people around them, and I know there is disagreement about that. (Are homosexuals mentally ill? What about Christians?) I wouldn't recommend other people make one, but my tulpa has been really helpful for…

Thank you for your comments - you have opened my eyes to an aspect of the world i never knew existed. I have recently discovered the term "neuro-diverse" as my daughter is autistic, but it is fascinating to find how diverse neuro can get, and how little most of us know about it. On a side note, Have you shared this with an experienced health professional? It does not seem like the sort of thing to do alone (not count…

I may bring it up at some point, but no, not currently.

Re: “Multiple personality disorder” probably doesn't exist

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I think quite a few identity-centered mental illnesses might actually be particular delusions, and in some cases we may be grouping people subject to one mental abnormality with others who are under the delusion they have that abnormality. That could explain why certain subsets of people exhibit symptoms which don't match the normal presentation. For example, and anecdotally based on my personal experience, people un…

This is a vast oversimplification of the range of transgender experiences, and the connotation that people "fake" being trans is all too familiar, but misinformed.

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The phenomenon of mental illness & trauma-based clout is intriguing and I don’t really understand it. Certainly a conservative trope for the balance of my life has been one of victimhood, from the notion of a persecuted majority to the plight of small business ownership. If it’s a liberal trope to be victim of one’s genetic makeup and life experiences the logical conclusion is that one shouldn’t feel remorse for not…

> The phenomenon of mental illness & trauma-based clout is intriguing and I don’t really understand it.

The original sin is the convention that punishment for crimes shouldn't be determined by the type of crime and the guilt of the defendant. Instead, it's normal to start with that to get a guideline, then choose from within that guideline based decisively on the degree of empathy and pity that the judge and/or jury feel for the defendant. This is done by selling the defendant as disadvantaged.

But selling the defendant as materially disadvantaged has a drawback: as the individuals who make up the court are drawn from extremely advantaged classes, and claims of material disadvantage make them feel bad about themselves. They generally need to hold the view that all material disadvantage can be overcome by will, having that will (to overcome material disadvantage) thereby becomes a moral standard, and lacking that will becomes a second justification for punishment. A dog can resist food when it is starving if you hit it enough, so punishment actually becomes therapeutic.

With the rise of the concept of psychology and mass medicalization of normal human ranges of behavior, sentencing couldn't help but become a ritual where the defense tries to sell the defendant as mentally unhealthy and pitiable. In other words, someone physically incapable of generating the will that punishment should give them.

Punishment in the justice system is ostensibly a process for deciding on the disposition of people who have committed acts considered wrong. If the anxiety, sadness, or mental instability etc. of the person committing these acts results in less punishment for being wrong, the obvious conclusion to be drawn is that mental illness and disadvantage makes you righter or more correct. Hypothetically, the person with the perfect combination of illness and disadvantage is never wrong.

Which IMO is why we have an culture of opposing mobs being led by people with severe cluster B personality disorders, and people who admire those people also developing these disorders by imitation. It's why when you get called out for molesting tweens, you come out as gay, or why when the twitter mob comes for you for a racist joke you made, you release an essay about being molested as a child and describe the therapy you're about to go into.

Everybody wants to be weak, because the weakest are the rightest. The problem is that these people aren't actually weak (because performance of weakness is part of social climbing), and the loudest are active crybullies. Actually weak people are still voiceless and ignored. The US is spending less on mental illness. The US has a weaker safety net.

Re: “Multiple personality disorder” probably doesn't exist

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever you do, don't get caught up in this. It's a slippery slope. We aren't in control of our thoughts. Lucidity and ability to reason are fleeting. Most people take it for granted and don't realize as its slipping away. I've seen it in the elderly, and my friends who took too many drugs and never came back. Keep in mind the commenter is literally describing a mental illness in a way that makes it sound positive.…

Eh, I understand the concern because it freaked me out (and sometimes still freaks me out) too. I keep a close eye on it. Thing is, mental illness is defined by a mental state that causes distress for oneself or the people around them, and I know there is disagreement about that. (Are homosexuals mentally ill? What about Christians?) I wouldn't recommend other people make one, but my tulpa has been really helpful for…

Are you seeing any healthcare professionals? You have mentioned a number of things going on in your life (depression, anxiety, substance use, childhood trauma) that doctors are trained to help with.

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Brains are networks. Our concept of a unified "self" is illusory and collapses when subjected to any serious philosophical scrutiny. If some people prefer to conceptualize themselves as multiple entities sharing a body, that's no less accurate than the useful fiction that, for instance, we remain the same person throughout our lives. I agree that most people who identify this way can't accurately be described as having a mental disorder -- because there's nothing wrong with it. It's true that you shouldn't revel in your mental dysfunction or let your identity distract you from your real problems. However, there's no reason why people can't have a plural identity and choose not do those thing.

The kids are alright.

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It says I submitted this two hours ago but I summitted it 23 hours ago...

If you go to your profile page [0] it looks correct. I wonder if this is a way to hide submission information from the public/submitter, or some other kind of dark feature. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=paulpauper

it's not a 'light feature' in that it's explicitly documented, but dang has mentioned that some stories 'deserve a second chance', so think of it as an automated form of how any aggregator often sees good links submitted multiple times before one catches on

Re: “Multiple personality disorder” probably doesn't exist

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See also: Internal Family Systems. It's a form of therapy that considers all of us has having many different discrete "parts". I recently started IFS therapy and have been having success with it. I'm not sure how literally I take the "parts" (I think they may be much less "solid" and more transient than IFS claims), but it seems to be a really interesting and helpful way to approach your own mind. https://en.wikipedi…

Are you working with an IFS therapist or are you using Pete Gerlach's online self-help course? Has anyone had success with Pete Gerlach's course?

Re: “Multiple personality disorder” probably doesn't exist

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It says I submitted this two hours ago but I summitted it 23 hours ago...

https://hnrankings.info/31128272/ the Operators deemed your story Fit for Reevaluation

Manual intervention by the mods would be strange for such a stridently partisan article, given this bit from the guidelines:

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Re: “Multiple personality disorder” probably doesn't exist

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I found the intro on multiple personality disorder and tiktok interesting, but the article is really about politics, which isn’t reflected in the title. I lost interest when he mentioned leftists

Trying to replay a-politically (with the knowledge that nothing happens in a political vacuum in reality). It can be successfully argued that the political left have adopted the drama and status of victimhood in a way that hasn't been done before in mainstream politics and given the strong correlation between political affiliation and age I think it's a concerning edge to the topic of mental health, or perception the…

The right has always capitalized on a self-perception of victimhood, above almost all other things other than common religious beliefs.

The left have generally actually been victims, or have advocated for victims. But then there's the privileged wealthy middle-class suburban left, who should rightfully relate to the position of advocate, but instead desperately want to be victims themselves. So they study the victims around them, introspect deeply about what kind of victim they really are, then come out of the closet dressed in their best imitation of that sort of victim. And being privileged, they are indulged.

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