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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by evanjonr »

joshschreuder wrote: post #417
FridgeSeal wrote: post #412

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I feel you. Here in Australia: $90/month nets you “100/40mb”, which is really more like “~85mb down, 25 up but only a quiet night, if you’re next to the router, and it hasn’t rained within the last week”.

It’s much, much better than it used to be at least (depending on where you live + NBN technology choice of course). And yet still completely hamstrung by the mess the current government made of the original NBN plan. If you live in an area that can get HFC, FTTP, FTTN etc. it’s possible these days to get a pretty consistent 1000/50 for $150/month. Those fibre services are pretty stable in my experience, definitely a…

Did you mean FTTC instead of FTTN? FTTN can rarely get close to the max of 100/40 in best case scenarios.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by FridgeSeal »

joshschreuder wrote: post #417
FridgeSeal wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel you. Here in Australia: $90/month nets you “100/40mb”, which is really more like “~85mb down, 25 up but only a quiet night, if you’re next to the router, and it hasn’t rained within the last week”.

It’s much, much better than it used to be at least (depending on where you live + NBN technology choice of course). And yet still completely hamstrung by the mess the current government made of the original NBN plan. If you live in an area that can get HFC, FTTP, FTTN etc. it’s possible these days to get a pretty consistent 1000/50 for $150/month. Those fibre services are pretty stable in my experience, definitely a…

The area of Sydney I live in has HFC-based NBN offered only, and it still falls over if it rains too much.

Apparently you can pay money to have fibre routed to your house from the nearest node/etc, but I rent, so I’m not going to do that.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by kbenson »

hedora wrote: post #419
kbenson wrote: post #352

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In the US I believe anyone can use the pole space as long as it's not taken, but I'm not an expert. I do know you have to fill out engineering documents per-pole to explain the load and propose (pay for?) fixing the load bearing attached cables. At the ISP I work for, I believe we spec out the cabling we need to a neighborhood and then order a special bundle with breakouts at specific locations along the length to se…

Thanks. The polls are ancient (1980's; most bow 10-20 degress under the tension of the existing tensioning cables.) This street got sold off to a bankrupt telco (from what I can tell, their business model is to buy up unprofitable lines, then periodically file for bankruptcy). There are a few local fiber providers. Maybe I could call and see what it would take to convince them to build out. (There is definitely deman…

It's a lot of work, but if you survey the area and get people to sign something saying they would buy pay up to $X for gigabit fiber or better, you might be able to approach some of those independent ISPs and lay the case out, you might get them to reprioritize your area (but it may or may not cover the same area you surveyed).

Be careful approaching incumbent major ISPs or letting them know if you got the signatures though. You might find they went out and offered sweetheart deals to the same people on two year contracts, but at existing service levels...

Regarding business fiber, I think they're more trying to keep people from reselling it as a micro ISP. If you're willing to pay business costs for personal use, I don't think they'll care. If you split the cost between 10 neighbors, they might. There may be other concerns they are dealing with that I'm not thinking of though.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by didibus »

If only one person has 25Gbit, it's not a drastic impact. But if 25Gbit becomes the norm, it means all new use cases can be delivered. 8k video streams at 15bit color ranges, games streaming assets over the wire, mounting file systems that live directly in the cloud, etc.

I can't even think of it all probably. Maybe VR streaming and other things.

Maybe we can finally have higher resolution gifs?

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by mackeyja92 »

kbenson wrote: post #193
404mm wrote: post #174

Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…

> Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do is to route 1Gbit. Having your uplink faster than all your individual ports in a network helps prevent any one port from being able to saturate your network. I work at an ISP that within the last year started selling 10Gbit symmetric, and we all sorta know there's not a huge use for it - yet. It's not really an issue for use to justify though, we don't char…

Slightly off topic, but have you heard of Utopia? They’re a municipality in Utah. They run the fiber for a flat fee to customers and let any ISPs sell on it. Currently ~10-15 ISPs. Your guys pricing would absolutely stomp these ISPs. Have y’all considered jumping on these kinds of opportunities? No need to run cable and can just start accessing 100k+ Utah customers. Ripe for disruption.

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Post by nine_k »

arcade79 wrote: post #397
antihero wrote: post #270

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What exactly about gis/satellite data required such an insane uplink?

What exactly is insane about it? I was surprised when my parents had 1Gbit in 2009. I was delighted when I could get 500Mbit in 2013. I'm slightly miffed that I don't even get 1Gbit in 2022. I literally laugh at providers attempting to convince me to get whatever with 10 or 20Mbit uplink speeds, in 2022l Yes, they exist. Anyhow. What's insane about a 10Gbit uplink? I wired up my apartment for 1Gbit in 2001. I've been…

At home you are free to make everything 10G-capable, have a NAS that can saturate such a link, etc.

On the wider internet, few resources are happy to dedicate such bandwidth to you, even if you can consume it. Not even every popular torrent can muster so much incoming bandwidth.

I can see how it may make sense if you run a popular public server from your home; maybe more convenient than colocation, but still is not a typical use case.

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Post by amelius »

azeirah wrote: post #67
zhdc1 wrote: post #45

I had 10gb internet on what was essentially a shared connection when I lived in Zürich. That, along with a surplus server I literally housed in my shoe closet, gave me the firepower I needed to prototype out something that led to two research grants which now employ myself and a new PhD student. We discount technological investments like this as being “too much” and “unpractical”, but we forget that, even if it only…

Please do tell us about your work!

I'm guessing the work involves a web-crawler.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by haydio »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #412
jonnylynchy wrote: post #7

On behalf of all tech-minded Americans, I would like to say... I hate you. I just got a notice in the mail that my ISP is "upgrading" their network so now I can pay $200 USD/month to get a whopping 2gbps, which I actually thought was pretty amazing until I read your post. So, thanks. In all seriousness, congrats! You made a good case for why one would need that much bandwidth. Also, we need to catch up here. :)

I feel you. Here in Australia: $90/month nets you “100/40mb”, which is really more like “~85mb down, 25 up but only a quiet night, if you’re next to the router, and it hasn’t rained within the last week”.

If you have to be "next to the router" than it's a problem with your infrastructure, not then NBN

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Post by backspace_ »

dougmwne wrote: post #263
404mm wrote: post #242

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That’s nice!! $40/mo? That does not sound like US price.

There's a 10 Gbit cable going in on my street for $60/month in Florida. Some interesting things happening in internet infrastructure these days.

What isp are you referencing?

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by vmurthy »

geoduck14 wrote: post #268
hnlmorg wrote: post #216

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A lot of it is down to those countries being early adopters of telecom infrastructure. It meant when a lot of other countries were wiring up internet for the first time, they weren’t faced with the prospect of having to piggyback existing and aged infrastructure. eg in some cases they could leapfrog copper almost entirely and jump straight to fibre.

>in some cases they could leapfrog copper almost entirely and jump straight to fibre. I visited Nepal several years back. They were going straight to wireless. All of the villages in the mountains had a solar panel on their roof that they used to charge their cellphones and there was a cell tower on the ridges. It was surreal to see villagers use Facebook but have no road access to the main city.

"Moving bits, not atoms" :-). Have you had a look at India's progress in FinTech / Telecom ?
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