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Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations
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>people in interview panels openly saying "but he's a white man" / "do we want to hire more white men" etc. Isn't this illegal?
In many states, discrimination laws only apply to "protected classes" , which is strictly defined as specific lists of races/religions/lgbt.. If you are white male, you are often not protected by these laws.
In many states,[...] which is strictly defined as specific lists of races
Can you provide a specific example of a state where a protected class is limited to a specific "race" (as opposed to "race" in general)? There are states where minorities have a presumption of being discriminated against, but that's not the same thing.
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#213If somebody was really good and presented themselves well, why the hell would they want to sling code for somebody else when they could go into finance or medicine? Yeah, being a tech founder can be amazingly lucrative but for anything else the non-tech roles are better respected and paid quite well. Think of a good quant or surgeon.
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Get a faux-vintage t-shirt with your favorite mustachioed mass murderer’s face on it.
But we're old enough we don't need the "faux" vintage - we have the real deal (well, not the murderer part, but old concert/band shirts).
You don’t want the employer to think you are the t-shirt’s original owner. The goal is to appear younger. :)
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#215During my career, I've seen enough discrimination in the name of DEI as well. But what bothers me more is the ageism. The number of times an old person has been rejected from a job is too damn high. The reasons have always been "he may not work well with young people", "seniority complex", "he is over qualified" etc. Most of the times, they were more than qualified. I fear when I am into 40s or 50s, I will face the s…
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If you can't work with people who don't share your progressive politics, you may be the one who is hard to work with, not them.
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There's no "white man", everyone is an individual. Whoever discriminates is an idiot, man/woman/white/black/red/gay/whatever.
I agree, but it's not exactly the best look to complain only about instances of the majority getting discriminated against when minorities are getting discriminated against constantly
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#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
Get a faux-vintage t-shirt with your favorite mustachioed mass murderer’s face on it.
But we're old enough we don't need the "faux" vintage - we have the real deal (well, not the murderer part, but old concert/band shirts).
Those probably smell of cigarette smoke. Better get faux ones, you don't wanna scare them with too much authenticity.
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Sadly this would probably work. Bonus points if you tell people your pronouns are they/them, HR departments really can’t get enough of that.
I would like to push back against this, because They/Them also has plenty of risks that are usually never thought of by people who don’t use they/them or other nonstandard profiles. Many companies, especially startups, don’t have HR departments to begin with. Of those with large HR departments, many don’t have a reputation of not protecting abusers (see: Uber, Google). Most HR software, payrolls, health data, etc als…
This was really just a joke about how an old white guy could go “undercover” and become hireable again, I definitely wouldn’t recommend anyone actually do something like this.
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#219In the US, male nurses are highly valued. I am not sure why this is not so in Sweden. On the other hand, people are wary of male preschool teachers. These two fields seem to be equivalent in Sweden. In the US - Cleaners are not well paid. I am not sure why men want to join this field. The best cleaner I ever had left as soon as she landed a better paying job. I see plenty of husband and wife teams where the wife does…
> I am not sure why men want to join this field. Because having a job is better than not having a job. You could say the same thing for being a dishwasher, say. Just because people typically don't want to make an entire career out of a job doesn't mean that discrimination isn't problematic.
I just did a quick check and on average cleaners in the US are paid less than warehouse workers (and for that matter dishwashers).
I also used to buy into the theory of male blue collar jobs disappearing until I saw all the well paid blue collar jobs that men won't take. (After all, I supported Yang.) I think even Yang now disbelieves his own theory and is looking at other reasons why men are dropping out of the work force.
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Get a faux-vintage t-shirt with your favorite mustachioed mass murderer’s face on it.
Mario!
