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Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by anothernerd2 »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #111
anothernerd2 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s hilarious that you think were all white men

I mean I don't think I ever implied that, but regardless I think we need to care about those who are most the disadvantaged with a certain level of priority.

> Very sorry for all the white men on here who are unjustly discriminated.

You did, in a way, assume that everybody here who’s upset is a white man. If you were truly unbiased you would have said “people” in place of “white men”

Rather than spending billions of dollars and hours sanitizing language we could use that energy and money towards solving real problems

Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by oppositelock »

jelsisi wrote: post #146
oppositelock wrote: post #130

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I'm almost 50. I've been working in tech since 1996, and at this point, despite being a strong and seasoned engineer, I'm getting comments like, "it's different now", or "back in your day", etc, and the very young engineers fresh from school are the ones throwing this around. Those with a few years of experience under their belt don't. It's really disheartening, but it's also my job to train these bozos and turn them…

I hope these people are in the minority. I'm 21, I have my first internship coming up in the summer, and I am ecstatic to learn from engineers more experienced than me, no matter what age.

Yes, definitely in the minority.

Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by umvi »

paxys wrote: post #120
throwadogabone2 wrote: post #3

Anecdotally I have seen this in person at a large tech startup. The recruiting team was all women, mainly white, and they were incredibly cliquey. Every hire was a woman. Men were turned down with vague excuses like “not a culture fit.” All while aggressively pushing DEI initiatives and interventions on the tech side. I don’t think the irony of this ever crossed their minds.

A lot of tech companies prioritize hiring women (whether officially or not) in roles like HR and admin to make their overall diversity numbers look better.

Can confirm, my last company's HR department was 100% women, but it still didn't offset the 90%+ male engineering department enough to satisfy DEI targets

Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by koshergweilo »

chokolad wrote: post #6
koshergweilo wrote: post #4

*In Sweden

This is in line with earlier findings in different countries. In a meta-analysis of hiring discrimination studies during 2000–2014, Rich [9] documented high levels of discrimination against men applying to jobs in female-dominated occupations in China [13], France [14], England [25], and Australia [11].

I don't disagrees with the conclusion, but these studies only prove it in their respective countries.

Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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Post by jleyank »

Ourgon wrote: post #68
ZGDUwpqEWpUZ wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IME the feminist argument seems to be that female-dominated industries are inherently unappealing and oppressive - i.e. that women are effectively forced into low-paid/underappreciated areas of work. Quite how this squares with desperately redefining words to try to keep men out of those industries, and why men would want to enter them in the first place if they're such terrible jobs, I'm not sure. They shouldn't nee…

It is nonsense, e.g. veterinary sciences are heavily female-dominated. Academia is female-dominated except for the STEM fields but even those disciplines are starting to become so. Here in Sweden middle and higher local government is female-dominated. Meanwhile mining, off-shore and garbage collection are male-dominated, to name a few fields which could be termed 'unappealing'. First-wave feminists had a point. Secon…

The pink-collar fields were horribly segregated (hence this name). Tech, for better or worse, eliminated most of them. Aside from, say, elementary education folks.

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Post by Manuel_D »

jedimastert wrote: post #50

This comment section is gonna be a RIDE... To actually comment on the topic at hand: the reason there's still male-dominated spaces is that women are weeded out far earlier than the hiring stage. See, for example, statistics about women in STEM and especially computer science and realize that hiring managers don't even have to be sexist for male-dominated fields to exist, even though they still are.

Women's representation in tech matches the graduation rates of relevant fields. Which matches the rates at which women indicate tech as their preferred field in high school and middle school.

I think it's in incorrect to say that they're "weeded out". That implies that women are being removed from the field, rather than exercising their own agency and choosing different fields.

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Post by imiric »

nabaraz wrote: post #67

During my career, I've seen enough discrimination in the name of DEI as well. But what bothers me more is the ageism. The number of times an old person has been rejected from a job is too damn high. The reasons have always been "he may not work well with young people", "seniority complex", "he is over qualified" etc. Most of the times, they were more than qualified. I fear when I am into 40s or 50s, I will face the s…

Work remotely and anonymously. Let the quality of your work shine through so that age becomes irrelevant.

There aren't many such roles, but with remote work gaining popularity, they're becoming more of an option.

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Post by throwaway894345 »

colpabar wrote: post #83
nabaraz wrote: post #67

During my career, I've seen enough discrimination in the name of DEI as well. But what bothers me more is the ageism. The number of times an old person has been rejected from a job is too damn high. The reasons have always been "he may not work well with young people", "seniority complex", "he is over qualified" etc. Most of the times, they were more than qualified. I fear when I am into 40s or 50s, I will face the s…

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