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Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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I think this is sarcasm. But I can’t tell anymore.

As a white guy with a really not white name, I will note that things seem to go better when I’m seen.

There seems to be a lot of complaints and outrage from people that have it pretty good.

Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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> intelligence distribution skews more male at the higher end Really? You think there are inherently more intelligent men than women?

> Really? You think there are inherently more intelligent men than women? Uh, yes. This is a well-established fact. Women have two X chromosomes, both of which get used [1], and men only have one. So this should be your baseline expectation. In women, that genetic information used to construct the brain, gets, loosely speaking, averaged together. It is of course also consistent with every empirical observation. E.g.…

Interesting thing about the chromosomes - in other species where the chromosome situation is reversed, like birds I think, the female is the one that displays more variability.

Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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There are very concerning patterns developing at the moment in the DEI space. DEI efforts, and often those leading them, are increasingly the most biased and close minded parts of the organization. Spreading selected stereotypes and often solving concerns about “discrimination” by being very biased and inequitable.

For example at my last company a report showed that slightly fewer of a certain minority were promoted. This was pointed out and discussed extensively. However when someone pointed out that the same data showed that there were zero of the same minority in performance plans and that everyone on performance plans was a white male, the conversation was shut down. As in it was incredibly important we address this very minor statistical gap on one end, but when the same data suggested that we might be biased against older white males the same DEI department (which had no older white males by the way) shut the convo down immediately.

DEI can’t just be about selected DEI that meets a certain biased definition that is, ironically, not inclusive.

Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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In my experience, I've always found it quite strange that HR and recruitment is a field that seems to me to be female dominated, at least in the part of the UK where I am, and I can't help but feel that the imbalance at this level of the process reflects who gets hired.

HR & recruiting are female dominated simply because hiring women in these roles is the easiest way for a company to get their diversity numbers up.

Proof?

Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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Sorry but that's pseudo-scientific bollocks. Far from being "well-established fact" it is actually contentious and poorly supported by the evidence. Intelligence testing is a human created concept. There are all manner of cultural biases encoded in it. Intelligence is more than just being good at sums which is what your math SAT example seems to suggest. Jeopardy champions are hardly a representative group. They're a…

Yeah, Jeopardy could be self-selecting based on a sex-specific mental trait. But you seem to be ignoring the test scores. Why is that?

You're ignoring the part of my reply where I respond to your point about test scores. Why is that?

Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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A few workplaces ago the company was hiring from a recruiter instructed with bringing only female or non white people. When I opposed that I was pointed to the actual UK law for positive discrimination which explicitly allow discrimination. I never had faith in society, but I had no idea we fell so low. I think most western countries are completely lost and will never get back. With woke activists controlling big tec…

> I never had faith in society, but I had no idea we fell so low.

I can see an argument that tolerating discrimination in the universe direction as part of a scheme to deal with the lasting impacts of a long history of discrimination against certain groups is flawed, inadequate, of incomplete progress compared to the period of discrimination.

I can't see the argument that it is a fall, though, unless one views the preceding discrimination as a good thing in itself.

Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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At my last company all hands, our CFO was talking about "increasing diversity" at our company. The entire C-Level or our entire company are people of colour. 4 out of 5 department heads are PoC. Customer success team are majority PoC and mostly women. Out of our entire engineering department, there are only 2 "white" people - myself (anglo-Canadian), and another man of Swedish ethnicity..though I suppose all white me…

> Engineering is the only male dominated department, we used to have a few women developers but they left for better opportunities and hiring is currently frozen. Other than C-level, what's the best-paid department/position in a tech company? Food for thought, if you were take the total of money paid to men vs women in your company, and really think hard about it, how would that balance out? Even if you took C-suite,…

Food for thought. Read through all of your comments and count how many of them are condescending. I mean across all your throw-away accounts. Really think about the answer.
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