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Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by sjtindell »

danans wrote: post #322

I doubt most of the subscription loss is attributable to reasons that most HN types go on about (the rants about wokeness, not enough scifi, carousel UI, pirating etc...). What's probably going on is after after a few years of pandemic isolation and Netflix binging, the arrival of pandemic triggered inflation, and overall higher employment rates, people just have less interest, time, and money to binge watch longer f…

Even introducing the the pandemic and inflation into it at all seems off base to me. There simply isn't an infinite number of people in the world who have the time, money, and broadband access to watch Netflix. They're nearing or have reached the peak of people who can use their product. That makes sense to me.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by bumby »

californical wrote: post #314
Stunting wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're stealing income, specifically from me and all of my coworkers. Perhaps you think that you're only stealing from Producers and A list actors, but there are entire departments that receive residuals on a production. - On screen performers, stunt performers like myself and actors who grind out a comfortable living. Those residuals also go to qualifying for health insurance through earnings. You are directly steal…

Is it really stealing if they wouldn’t have ever paid for it in the first place? If it’s not easy to find and use on a subscription service that I already have, I’m just not gonna try to search for it or pay for it. What difference would it make if I pirated it and watched it anyways? (FWIW I personally don’t pirate anything, I just really don’t see the merit to the “stealing” argument)

This reminds me of the squatter issue and the claim that it's not wrong if the owner wasn't using it. This is only true if you have a vastly different idea of property (real and intellectual) rights that much of the country/economy is founded upon.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by mpalczewski »

cercatrova wrote: post #101

It's easier just to pirate than keep up with all these streaming services. - You get the benefit of high quality (true 4k, not stream compressed "4k") and no buffering. - Plex, Radarr, Sonarr automatically downloads and categorizes your content for you, you can just sit back and enjoy your content. - Edit: Plex et al are not the *only* ways to download content, not sure why some replies are thinking so. I too can typ…

> It's easier just to pirate than keep up with all these streaming services.

It really isn't and it's only cheaper if you don't put much value on your time.

Radarr and Sonarr don't do anything automatically. Setting them up takes more time than they are worth. I tried installing them. Most would describe me as technically savvy, but I just gave up.

example issues. Here's the quick start guide. https://wiki.servarr.com/radarr/quick-start-guide 1. Get stopped immediately at the indexer. No sane defaults there at all. No guidance either.

Plex doesn't do 4k streaming to Apple TV, doesn't do 4k to chromecast.

The movies you pirate frequently have technical problems, usually the sound is off. You are lucky to have subtitles that work(synced correctly).

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by ozzythecat »

danans wrote: post #322

I doubt most of the subscription loss is attributable to reasons that most HN types go on about (the rants about wokeness, not enough scifi, carousel UI, pirating etc...). What's probably going on is after after a few years of pandemic isolation and Netflix binging, the arrival of pandemic triggered inflation, and overall higher employment rates, people just have less interest, time, and money to binge watch longer f…

I cancelled because it’s not worth the time investment. Good shows are not only difficult to find, but Netflix will release a season or two and unreasonably no longer continue on, without closing out the story. They try to cater to a mass audience and use a large net, but then due to capital costs or whatever reasons, they force their customer to feel stupid for getting invested into a show in the first place.

I miss the days where I could binge watch a series on release date. Now all the streaming services also seem to rate limit each episode to once a week.

All the qualities that drew me into streaming have slowly faded away.

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Post by 8note »

ODILON_SATER wrote: post #238
pojzon wrote: post #125

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I can assume Netflix does not have this kind of browsing simply due to amount of content they have. Offering of Netflix is extremely poor if you crop out all the duplicate shows popping on your feed. Ive decided to drop Netflix simply because: - new interesting shows are popping up so rarely, there is no point to pay the monthly sub - there is too much political agenda sold even in children shows (Kids really dont ne…

`- there is too much political agenda sold even in children shows (Kids really dont need this kind of crap)` This is what pushing me over the edge. I have both Netflix and Amazon prime subscriptions. I have thought several times to drop one. The only reason I still have Netflix is because my wife and kids watch their shows. But I have had a hard time finding good shows because everything is political, and I hate when…

Everything is political, if not your view, to somebody else's. you might prefer to watch fox news for entertainment that doesnt feel political?

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Post by brewdad »

michaelmrose wrote: post #457
rhino369 wrote: post #323

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It's not easier. I've got a BS in EE and am old enough to have downloaded episodes of the TV show 24 over 56k using early BitTorrent. I've successfully set up plex (which requires an in house server/spare pc), sonarr, radarr, usenet, etc. I'm probably the 99% percentile in ability to pirate. And its not easier than netflix. 90% of people I know probably couldn't set this up. And the other 10% would spend more time di…

Check out jellyfin it runs fine as a service on the users PC. You create different directories for TV shows and movies and drop files in and they show up shortly after. Plug the PC up to display and presto.

I got a $25 Fire TV Stick and plugged it into the back of my TV. I push 1 button and everything powers on and Netflix, Hulu, or Disney+ launch automatically. Any other service is a couple button presses away. All in 4k. (Well Hulu is upscaled)

I never have to leave my sofa. I don't have to dick around with plugging and unplugging my PC. No keyboards to manage. No OS or software to keep updated.

Your solution is easier than some other options but I'll stick with mine.

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Post by _jal »

ozzythecat wrote: post #474
danans wrote: post #322

I doubt most of the subscription loss is attributable to reasons that most HN types go on about (the rants about wokeness, not enough scifi, carousel UI, pirating etc...). What's probably going on is after after a few years of pandemic isolation and Netflix binging, the arrival of pandemic triggered inflation, and overall higher employment rates, people just have less interest, time, and money to binge watch longer f…

I cancelled because it’s not worth the time investment. Good shows are not only difficult to find, but Netflix will release a season or two and unreasonably no longer continue on, without closing out the story. They try to cater to a mass audience and use a large net, but then due to capital costs or whatever reasons, they force their customer to feel stupid for getting invested into a show in the first place. I miss…

This.

I cancelled it when they raised their prices, it made me think about how much I watch things on there. Which was rarely - my guess was around 1 show/month on average.

> Now all the streaming services also seem to rate limit each episode to once a week.

Yeah, screw that noise. Torrents are still their primary competitor, and the operative issue is not cost, it is convenience.

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Post by ProAm »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #370
ProAm wrote: post #336

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> Stop stealing our shit. While I agree with your sentiment, you can also make a better product. This is an easy fix with some of the smartest minds in the industry. People showed Netflix early on they were willing to PAY for ease of use.

You're responding to a stuntperson who, unfortunately, has no control over the distribution of the product they worked on.

> You're responding to a stuntperson who, unfortunately, has no control over the distribution of the product they worked on.

And he is yelling at us, which also have no control, he should be yelling at the people he works for that do have control.

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Post by CodeMage »

Stunting wrote: post #392
isatty wrote: post #346

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Well then let us pay for shit in a convenient way. Like OP said, if there’s something like steam or Spotify then I’d gladly pay for it. I still rent movies weekly on AppleTV because it’s a convenient experience. Geo gating, shitty compression and making us choose between n apps is not the way. Also, we’re going to end up with shitty generated content regardless of my $10. If you’re making strong statements like OP is…

you are able to pay for individual film and tv shows right now through Amazon and Apple, i'm sure others. I do advocate for change, within my own union. Today I am educating consumers on who exactly they are stealing from when they pirate shows.

Every single show or movie I wanted to watch over the last year has been an exclusive to some streaming service or other.

Amazon used to let me buy anything, and the Prime was there to entice me so I don't have to pay for individual catalog items, but that's not the case anymore.

Now I have a choice between:

1. paying for a crapton of streaming services so I can watch a handful of things I'd like

2. pirating

3. not watching most of the stuff I think I would like to watch

I'm not picking option 1 for what I hope are obvious reasons. I really don't want to pick option 2 because I empathize with people like you, who would be affected by that. For the moment, I'm picking option 3.

However, if you really want to "educate consumers", you might be more successful if you change your tone so it doesn't sound like aggressive victim-blaming. People like you and people like me are being screwed by a third group.

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