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The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by Stunting »

cercatrova wrote: post #101

It's easier just to pirate than keep up with all these streaming services. - You get the benefit of high quality (true 4k, not stream compressed "4k") and no buffering. - Plex, Radarr, Sonarr automatically downloads and categorizes your content for you, you can just sit back and enjoy your content. - Edit: Plex et al are not the *only* ways to download content, not sure why some replies are thinking so. I too can typ…

You're stealing income, specifically from me and all of my coworkers. Perhaps you think that you're only stealing from Producers and A list actors, but there are entire departments that receive residuals on a production.

- On screen performers, stunt performers like myself and actors who grind out a comfortable living. Those residuals also go to qualifying for health insurance through earnings. You are directly stealing from my ability to provide health insurance to my family.

- Assistant Directors, who are saints dealing with every logistical problem imaginable. The best of them only work 1-2 movies a year because the workload causes severe burnout.

- The Union themselves! The more money that flows through the union, the more powerful they are. The more safer movie sets become and the better life is provided for the workforce that makes your entertainment.

- Yourself! You are reducing the value of producing quality TV and Movies by stealing them. Every time one a show is pirated, there is less incentive to spend more money on an entertainment spectacle.

Go check out my imdb and see how many of my credits you've watched https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1968249/

For every show imagine that it's a nickel you stole from my income. WOuldn't be surprised if you took a buck or two out of mine. Now multiply that by all the on screen performers and ADs and others I mentioned. Now multiply that all the people who steal like you.

You're directly responsible for sucking the quality of life away from people who make your entertainment and reducing the desire to make things you enjoy. You're going to end up with shows that are AI generated CGI sponsored by Mt. Dew and Chevy trucks.

Stop stealing our shit.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by DontMindit »

cercatrova wrote: post #101

It's easier just to pirate than keep up with all these streaming services. - You get the benefit of high quality (true 4k, not stream compressed "4k") and no buffering. - Plex, Radarr, Sonarr automatically downloads and categorizes your content for you, you can just sit back and enjoy your content. - Edit: Plex et al are not the *only* ways to download content, not sure why some replies are thinking so. I too can typ…

Disney, Paramount, CNN would eventually be held hostage to their platform by a Spotify or Steam ... The Music business and artists have been destroyed by Spotify

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by denimnerd42 »

Mindwipe wrote: post #265
canadaduane wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you point specifically to what you don't like about it? Personally, my "least favorite feature" is that hovering (with mouse) over any video would auto-play. In other words, just by moving the mouse you would be under threat of accidentally distracting yourself. Maybe some people don't feel the same way, but for me, it was destabilizing to the point that I couldn't recall what it was I was searching for / interes…

You could just turn autoplay off in settings.

that's only a recent feature!

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by breakfastduck »

CabSauce wrote: post #160
cercatrova wrote: post #101

It's easier just to pirate than keep up with all these streaming services. - You get the benefit of high quality (true 4k, not stream compressed "4k") and no buffering. - Plex, Radarr, Sonarr automatically downloads and categorizes your content for you, you can just sit back and enjoy your content. - Edit: Plex et al are not the *only* ways to download content, not sure why some replies are thinking so. I too can typ…

Sure. It's also stealing. And doesn't provide any money for future shows that you might enjoy. Don't get me wrong, I've done it for some things that I wanted to watch, but wasn't willing to pay for. But let's not pretend that everyone torrenting is a reasonable solution.

It is THE solution because its the only thing that will force them to change their model.

See music streaming, the origin of video streaming, origin of steam etc

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by robonerd »

CabSauce wrote: post #160
cercatrova wrote: post #101

It's easier just to pirate than keep up with all these streaming services. - You get the benefit of high quality (true 4k, not stream compressed "4k") and no buffering. - Plex, Radarr, Sonarr automatically downloads and categorizes your content for you, you can just sit back and enjoy your content. - Edit: Plex et al are not the *only* ways to download content, not sure why some replies are thinking so. I too can typ…

Sure. It's also stealing. And doesn't provide any money for future shows that you might enjoy. Don't get me wrong, I've done it for some things that I wanted to watch, but wasn't willing to pay for. But let's not pretend that everyone torrenting is a reasonable solution.

> And doesn't provide any money for future shows that you might enjoy.

The last movie I pirated was directed by a man who died almost 30 years ago. Do you suppose if I subscribed to Netflix (which doesn't even have any of his movies at all as far I can tell), they'd hire a necromancer to get a few more movies out of his corpse?

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by dehrmann »

I'd be careful to make a claim as big as "the bottom is dropping out," but Netflix is facing a few headwinds.

- Lots of competition, some more serious (Disney+) than others (Amazon)

- Nearing the top of the streaming adoption curve

- End of the stay-at-home covid bump

The covid impact is noise in the long (5+ years) term.

Reaching full adoption is a sign of maturity overtaking growth. You run the company differently, but it's not "the bottom dropping out."

Competition is rough. The competitors have deep pockets and back catalogs, but consumers have no appetite for 6 separate services. This is where I'd be worried.

I empathize with the recommendation and UI gripes, but I doubt they're driving Netflix's woes.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by [deleted] »

glenjamin wrote: post #25
jsemrau wrote: post #17

Netflix is now a mature business that stopped growing. https://app.finclout.io/t/NBbmd0A

The graph in your link appears to show an operating profit of over $6 billion. What has gone wrong with our world that making a 6 billion dollar a year profit is considered a problem?

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Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by nescioquid »

Joeri wrote: post #207
halfnormalform wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

Steal verb 1: to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice Yes, piracy is stealing according to the dictionary, especially if done habitually. That the owner is left with a copy of the work is immaterial to the act of theft.

I sort of think piracy in this context is actually distributing some media, e.g. a movie, without holding the copyright or a license from the copyright holder to do so.

You will argue that this may deprive the copyright holder of some rent if the media is for sale, but that sounds qualitatively different than taking or stealing.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by dragonwriter »

robonerd wrote: post #295
CabSauce wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. It's also stealing. And doesn't provide any money for future shows that you might enjoy. Don't get me wrong, I've done it for some things that I wanted to watch, but wasn't willing to pay for. But let's not pretend that everyone torrenting is a reasonable solution.

> And doesn't provide any money for future shows that you might enjoy. The last movie I pirated was directed by a man who died almost 30 years ago. Do you suppose if I subscribed to Netflix (which doesn't even have any of his movies at all as far I can tell), they'd hire a necromancer to get a few more movies out of his corpse?

> hire a necromancer to get a few more movies out of his corpse?

We don't hire necromancers anymore, they’ve been replaced by training models on a corpus anchored by the creator’s existing work.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by jasonlfunk »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #269
CabSauce wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. It's also stealing. And doesn't provide any money for future shows that you might enjoy. Don't get me wrong, I've done it for some things that I wanted to watch, but wasn't willing to pay for. But let's not pretend that everyone torrenting is a reasonable solution.

It's not stealing, it's copyright infringement, and it's an act of protest. I paid for Netflix for years when the streaming catalog was good, but now the streaming video market feels like an anti-consumer predatory cash grab.

It’s a pretty self serving protest. Just don’t watch it. You make your point without abandoning the moral high ground.
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