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Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by lowbloodsugar »

mywittyname wrote: post #159
chrisan wrote: post #133

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> I do not see why people should fee they are owed all the content in the world for $x. People just want to pay for what they want. What is so hard about that? I don't want cable with 500 channels of no interest. I also don't want to deal with subscribe/cancel 20 services as shows come and go. Just make it simple ffs.

A lot of content can be purchased outright on several different platforms. It's $40/season, but it's available.

While I myself have purchased many seasons of TV, I should caution you that none of it can be "purchased outright" on these platforms. Your account can be cancelled at any time, and you then lose access with no recourse. "Purchasing outright" requires buying physical media, and even then, disc players are becoming dangerously niche.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by rsync »

ceejayoz wrote: post #277
rsync wrote: post #203

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It’s been a while but my practice used to be: pay full price for the online offering (conducting the transaction in a browser) and then just download the content from BitTorrent. I would happily defend that practice in front of a jury of my peers.

You'd probably lose. The thing they get you on with BitTorrent isn't the download part, it's the seeding part, where you're distributing the copyrighted content to other downloaders. You could turn off seeding, but that'll get you banned from a lot of torrent sites, and it's not a technical distinction I'd want to have to explain in court to lay people.

Again - it has been a while - but I did, indeed, use leech mode on the client … so no seeding.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by ghaff »

danans wrote: post #322

I doubt most of the subscription loss is attributable to reasons that most HN types go on about (the rants about wokeness, not enough scifi, carousel UI, pirating etc...). What's probably going on is after after a few years of pandemic isolation and Netflix binging, the arrival of pandemic triggered inflation, and overall higher employment rates, people just have less interest, time, and money to binge watch longer f…

A lot of the "pandemic stocks" have taken a real pounding.

For me, Netflix content is "OK" overall. But so is content on most of the other streaming services. And I don't really watch a huge amount of video so it makes sense for me to pick a few services and maybe dip in and out. Netflix is probably the one delivering the least bang for the buck to me right now so I'll probably watch a few things and drop it at some point.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by sschueller »

danans wrote: post #322

I doubt most of the subscription loss is attributable to reasons that most HN types go on about (the rants about wokeness, not enough scifi, carousel UI, pirating etc...). What's probably going on is after after a few years of pandemic isolation and Netflix binging, the arrival of pandemic triggered inflation, and overall higher employment rates, people just have less interest, time, and money to binge watch longer f…

Instead of increasing every one's pricing they should have added a FOMO tier giving people early access to new content before anyone else.

Additionally to get people to think twice before unsubscribing increase the price for new subscribers but keep existing subs at the lower rate. You cancel you can't get that rate back.

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Post by rhino369 »

tzs wrote: post #219
halfnormalform wrote: post #168

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That's not how English works. "Stole", "steal", etc., have meanings beyond just illegally depriving someone of physical property. Here are several examples of correct usage of "steal" or "stole" that have nothing to do with illegally taking property. • Someone says they do not like cats and have no interest in having one as a pet. A cute stray kitten shows up on their doorstep, they take pity and feed it. They fall i…

A better example is theft of services. If you sit down at a barber's chair and then walk out without payment, we all consider that stealing. But no property was actually deprived--just wasted effort.

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Post by burntoutfire »

rhino369 wrote: post #323
hardwaregeek wrote: post #268

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I don't know how to phrase this nicely, but this is precisely the type of Hacker News nerd-blindness that I find amazing. It's "easier"? Is it? For young children who want to watch their kids shows and don't know what 4k means? For grandparents who want to see some k-dramas and have no clue about DRM or geo-locked? Sure, Netflix has issues and it's made some bad decisions, but let's not delude ourselves here. The gro…

It's not easier. I've got a BS in EE and am old enough to have downloaded episodes of the TV show 24 over 56k using early BitTorrent. I've successfully set up plex (which requires an in house server/spare pc), sonarr, radarr, usenet, etc. I'm probably the 99% percentile in ability to pirate. And its not easier than netflix. 90% of people I know probably couldn't set this up. And the other 10% would spend more time di…

I almost exclusively pirate movies and tv series from pirate bay. I would have no problem paying $20 a month for that service as-is (TPB + torrent network), as it's better than the currently available alternatives.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by rednerrus »

This is a case of disruption being too disruptive. They stuck with their disruptive models instead of adopting the parts of the older model that were working. Binging is great but it's hell on getting people to come back every week and continue to build the buzz for shows.

Squid game was huge and should have been a monster pole to hammock off of for months. The conversation about Squid Game should still be goin on...

Killing off shows because they're not bringing in new users is a terrible idea.

Their tech is great but the running a network aspect was pretty terrible.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by Cipater »

teawrecks wrote: post #382
hardwaregeek wrote: post #268

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I don't know how to phrase this nicely, but this is precisely the type of Hacker News nerd-blindness that I find amazing. It's "easier"? Is it? For young children who want to watch their kids shows and don't know what 4k means? For grandparents who want to see some k-dramas and have no clue about DRM or geo-locked? Sure, Netflix has issues and it's made some bad decisions, but let's not delude ourselves here. The gro…

You mean the kids who don't buy all those streaming services? Or the grandparents who don't buy all those streaming services? We agree, not having to deal with all these streaming services is easier than having to deal with all these streaming services. But if we're talking about the people who are buying all the streaming services, it's currently easier to pirate. I get that you haven't taken two seconds to do any a…

Hang on, are you really saying that it's easier for kids and grandparents to set up Plex, Radarr and Sonarr than it is to sign up and use Netflix?

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Post by sleepybrett »

Stunting wrote: post #291
cercatrova wrote: post #101

It's easier just to pirate than keep up with all these streaming services. - You get the benefit of high quality (true 4k, not stream compressed "4k") and no buffering. - Plex, Radarr, Sonarr automatically downloads and categorizes your content for you, you can just sit back and enjoy your content. - Edit: Plex et al are not the *only* ways to download content, not sure why some replies are thinking so. I too can typ…

You're stealing income, specifically from me and all of my coworkers. Perhaps you think that you're only stealing from Producers and A list actors, but there are entire departments that receive residuals on a production. - On screen performers, stunt performers like myself and actors who grind out a comfortable living. Those residuals also go to qualifying for health insurance through earnings. You are directly steal…

When I lend a physical dvd to my friend is that stealing?

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Post by Stunting »

Tao331 wrote: post #425
Stunting wrote: post #291

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You're stealing income, specifically from me and all of my coworkers. Perhaps you think that you're only stealing from Producers and A list actors, but there are entire departments that receive residuals on a production. - On screen performers, stunt performers like myself and actors who grind out a comfortable living. Those residuals also go to qualifying for health insurance through earnings. You are directly steal…

I think your real anger should be directed at the studios that aren't fairly structuring your benefits and compensation, as well as the union that is not getting these for you.

My real and passionate anger is directed constructively at those entities. Today I am providing a face and a name to people who think "piracy isn't stealing"
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