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Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by aphyr »

bzbarsky wrote: post #153
aphyr wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not trolling, but perhaps I was unclear. First, my information is about a year out of date. I only used FF (well, Mozilla Suite/Galeon/Phoenix/FF) from around 2001-2010, and it's clear the FF team has moved to improve performance since then. Perhaps my impressions from that time frame are no longer valid, but the issues I checked in Bugzilla while writing my post seemed largely unresolved. I said "gestalt" to critici…

Aphyr, every single browser engine has longstanding bugs; it's just a matter of priorities. WebKit doesn't have load events for stylesheets either, for example. It has buggy CSS selector matching, on purpose (doing the right thing was deemed too slow). There are multi-year-open bugs in V8 and Chrome, and that whole project hasn't even had an open bug database for more than a few years. So I'm not sure the development…

You're absolutely right; I've been bitten by chrome/webkit bugs as well, some of which remain unpatched. And Chrome's relative youth means the browser code hasn't acquired the same level of cruft--so I can't strongly infer a difference in process.

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by cluboholic »

whats surprising is how well Internet Explorer turns out to be.. when IE10 final comes out I might actually switch to IE for a change.

I turned my pc's screen this morning only to find out that the firefox session i had running from the previous day was consuming 2.5gb of memory.. with 3 tabs open.. whatever those tabs were doing all night .. that amount of memory can only be accounted to a memory leak a river can pass through. and yes i'm using the latest version thanks.

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by tadfisher »

epscylonb wrote: post #191
kissickas wrote: post #146

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I don't know about socillion, but Tree Style Tabs is one of the reasons I won't stop using Firefox. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...

Agreed, and I believe the Chromium guys have been asked for this feature and said they won't do it. I don't think it is possible with chrome extensions either.

You can, however, get tabs in a sidebar, which works well for n about:flags -> Enable Side Tabs

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by oscarleung »

asadotzler wrote: post #54

Jason, we’ve been working on this. There were some big performance improvements in Firefox 6 and 7 and we’ve got a big hang fix that’s just about to hit in Firefox 8. Can you grab an Aurora or Beta build and see if things are better?

Bug fixes are nice, but it doesn't change the fact that Chrome is more stable to begin with.

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by redthrowaway »

zobzu wrote: post #165
fletchowns wrote: post #105

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I didn't make any comment or complaint about the practical difference...

whats funny is you got downvotedand his hateful, not so relevant comment like go compile it us upvoted. figures !

In what sense was my comment hateful? Insensitive, perhaps even impolite, sure. But hateful?

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by nitrogen »

carussell wrote: post #197
nitrogen wrote: post #169

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That seems pretty far fetched. Just about everything important seems far-fetched until it happens (Who imagined spam botnets when designing SMTP? Who would've thought that Therac-25 operators would get fast enough at entering commands to trigger a race condition?). How often has that actually happened to you? Since Firefox syncs often, it can't. But, I have lost long comments and e-mails (before Gmail auto-saved draf…

Hey, nitrogen. Why you've been voted down so much is beyond me. Lots of IDONTLIKEIT in here and recently in general it seems. > I'm of the view that software should, where possible, mimic physical objects -- changes are instantaneous and persistent -- with the reversibility of virtual objects. Are you aware of Stanislav's Seven Laws of Sane Personal Computing or the Loper OS website in general? It's a nice read; thou…

Interesting. For the most part, I agree with the principles there. My long-term (i.e. long past my lifetime) goal is to make software like that seen on Star Trek (minus the homicidal holodeck characters) -- no companies controlling things, no proprietary standards, just simple interfaces to do anything and everything. In the mean time, though, I don't think that full system introspection is economically possible for all systems in all places.

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by ghusbands »

bzbarsky wrote: post #153
aphyr wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not trolling, but perhaps I was unclear. First, my information is about a year out of date. I only used FF (well, Mozilla Suite/Galeon/Phoenix/FF) from around 2001-2010, and it's clear the FF team has moved to improve performance since then. Perhaps my impressions from that time frame are no longer valid, but the issues I checked in Bugzilla while writing my post seemed largely unresolved. I said "gestalt" to critici…

Aphyr, every single browser engine has longstanding bugs; it's just a matter of priorities. WebKit doesn't have load events for stylesheets either, for example. It has buggy CSS selector matching, on purpose (doing the right thing was deemed too slow). There are multi-year-open bugs in V8 and Chrome, and that whole project hasn't even had an open bug database for more than a few years. So I'm not sure the development…

> [WebKit] has buggy CSS selector matching, on purpose (doing the right thing was deemed too slow)

Can you substantiate this? (both the buggy selector(s) and the reasoning)

I have no role in any of this; I'm merely interested in the bugs.

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by SkyMarshal »

colanderman wrote: post #195
SkyMarshal wrote: post #180

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Or hide tabs and the tab bar altogether and use CTRL-TAB to toggle through them, like ALT-TAB does windows. Screen real-estate galore: http://i.imgur.com/XuMkx.png

You don't turn your status bar off? ;)

Haha, that was actually my first thought too when I looked at my pic, which I took months ago. I do now :)

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by dredmorbius »

nknight wrote: post #95
bad_user wrote: post #71

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Firefox is terrible. It's embarrassing. I do have Firefox occasionally choking, which annoys me as hell, but I'm on Firefox 8. I do get frustrated, but criticizing a software package that you get for freaking free, especially one that you ow so much to, with such a harsh tone really is unwarranted. And it really is free in a not-for-profit way. The Awesome bar that the article mentions really saves you from making us…

"Free" projects lose that excuse when they start making money through third parties (Google pays Mozilla a ton of money to be the default search engine) and make concentrated marketing pushes. I'm certainly going to treat them like I would any other ad-supported software, and that means treating them like any other commercial piece of software.

Wrong "free".

It's free as in speech, not beer.

Though there's a Free Software implementation of Chrome as well: Chromium.

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by pjriot »

AdamGibbins wrote: post #110
pjriot wrote: post #104

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Looks great, but I'm happy with what I have now so I'm not too pushed about spending money on a service. I'm also old enough to worry about trusting a site to hang around for 10 years with my data. (and by old enough, read: stuck in my ways enough) Must look into the migration effort though. And browser addon support. Its definitely a sweet looking service.

If you go for the premium service, a bargain $25 a month you get the ability to have it scrape and download every site you bookmark. So even if the site you bookmarked goes down, you retain the content. Pinboard also has good APIs so you can backup your data. No lock-in.

Holy crap, its $25 a year. That is a bargain.
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