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Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by epscylonb »

kissickas wrote: post #146
jsolson wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> -A window begins to be unwieldy at 15 tabs, and is impossible to navigate at 20 Interesting. This is actually one of the big reasons why I prefer Chrome over FF. FF does the whole "make my tab bar scroll" while Chrome resizes the tabs to fit. What about Chrome's implementation do you find more unwieldy than Firefox's?

I don't know about socillion, but Tree Style Tabs is one of the reasons I won't stop using Firefox. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...

Agreed, and I believe the Chromium guys have been asked for this feature and said they won't do it.

I don't think it is possible with chrome extensions either.

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by staktrace »

azakai wrote: post #38

> Firefox, on Linux at least, is busted. It’s busted so bad that it’s painful to use. And it’s been this way ever since Firefox 3 launched — three years ago. This is an odd statement, considering that many Firefox devs run Linux. I'm running Firefox on Linux right now, and it works great. I guess the author of the article is hitting a specific bug. It isn't a general issue that affects all users of Firefox on Linux.

Perhaps FF devs have super-beefed-up machines (required to compile FF) that average users don't, and therefore don't see many of the performance problems that average users do?

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by kiloaper »

hoverkraft wrote: post #88

It's endearing that for each comment presenting a criticism of some aspect of Firefox, there's at least one reply from somebody saying, "But /I/ don't have that problem" (see thaumaturgy's top-ranked post). So great. You don't run into problem x or problem y. But a LOT of people do. And when I sit down at somebody's computer, and they use Firefox, and they have more than a couple tabs open, it's slow. Inconceivably s…

"Especially in light of how snappy Chrome manages to be with a big stack of tabs open."

Numerous benchmarks show that since 5 FF performs far better with a large number of tabs (100+ for example) compared to Chrome. This happens to be my use case so FF is my choice. Tab groups is also a must with so many tabs.

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by planckscnst »

staktrace wrote: post #192
azakai wrote: post #38

> Firefox, on Linux at least, is busted. It’s busted so bad that it’s painful to use. And it’s been this way ever since Firefox 3 launched — three years ago. This is an odd statement, considering that many Firefox devs run Linux. I'm running Firefox on Linux right now, and it works great. I guess the author of the article is hitting a specific bug. It isn't a general issue that affects all users of Firefox on Linux.

Perhaps FF devs have super-beefed-up machines (required to compile FF) that average users don't, and therefore don't see many of the performance problems that average users do?

I run Firefox on Arch Linux on an old Atom-based netbook and on LMDE an old AMD 3200+. Neither have had issues, so it's not the case that Firefox is generically broken on all of Linux.

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by colanderman »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #180
skrebbel wrote: post #177

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And put the tab bar on the left, making keeping an overview of 30+ ungrouped tabs no problemo!

Or hide tabs and the tab bar altogether and use CTRL-TAB to toggle through them, like ALT-TAB does windows. Screen real-estate galore: http://i.imgur.com/XuMkx.png

You don't turn your status bar off? ;)

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by colanderman »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #180
skrebbel wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And put the tab bar on the left, making keeping an overview of 30+ ungrouped tabs no problemo!

Or hide tabs and the tab bar altogether and use CTRL-TAB to toggle through them, like ALT-TAB does windows. Screen real-estate galore: http://i.imgur.com/XuMkx.png

You don't turn your status bar off? ;)

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by carussell »

nitrogen wrote: post #169
jlarocco wrote: post #140

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That seems pretty far fetched. How often has that actually happened to you? I can honestly say that in 15 years of web browsing I've never had either of those problems, and don't know anybody who has. Seems silly to significantly slow everything down for everybody because of a one in a trillion chance somebody will lose power at an inconvenient time. And hey, maybe if the browser were faster, you'd have time to submi…

That seems pretty far fetched. Just about everything important seems far-fetched until it happens (Who imagined spam botnets when designing SMTP? Who would've thought that Therac-25 operators would get fast enough at entering commands to trigger a race condition?). How often has that actually happened to you? Since Firefox syncs often, it can't. But, I have lost long comments and e-mails (before Gmail auto-saved draf…

Hey, nitrogen.

Why you've been voted down so much is beyond me. Lots of IDONTLIKEIT in here and recently in general it seems.

> I'm of the view that software should, where possible, mimic physical objects -- changes are instantaneous and persistent -- with the reversibility of virtual objects.

Are you aware of Stanislav's Seven Laws of Sane Personal Computing or the Loper OS website in general? It's a nice read; thought-provoking, even if you don't agree with everything there.

http://www.loper-os.org/?p=284

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by gwern »

Permit wrote: post #124
gwern wrote: post #39

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It gets in my way doing copy-paste. I don't entirely understand it - it seems to have something to do with whether Firefox is busy or not - but it's easy for a copied URL to simply not have the prefix, which breaks subsequent use pretty frequently (eg. 'google.com' is not a useful Markdown link while ' http://google.com is).

As mentioned, when you copy from the URL bar, you get the http:// prefix so this is a non-issue.

Did you not read what I wrote? That does not always happen.

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by jasonkostempski »

thaumaturgy wrote: post #47

Now that AdBlock Plus is fully functional in Chrome/Chromium, we've been moving all of our clients -- a few hundred individuals and businesses -- off of Firefox. So far, everybody's been a lot happier with that. Firefox is terrible . It's embarrassing. And, I've completely lost interest in arguing over it anymore. The responses from Mozilla, Asa especially, have either been, "We don't think that's a problem", or some…

For a while the only reason I had Firefox installed was because of Firebug but the Chrome tools are getting to be just about as good and I've pretty much lost all interest in Firefox. I'll still have it around to make sure sites work in it but I certainly won't have it on all my machines.

Re: Dear Mozilla: Fix Your Damn Browser

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Post by dredmorbius »

kemayo wrote: post #3

I remember one of my co-workers telling me that Firefox was running great for him now that he'd upgraded from 4GB of RAM to 8GB. It finally wasn't slowly grinding to a halt any time he had more than a handful of tabs open for more than an hour or two. Seemed a bit like Stockholm Syndrome to me.

QFT

Though it's having both IceWeasel and Chromium that's pigging my box.

But yes, with aggressive browsing habits, 4GB simply wasn't enough memory.

40 tabs is a pretty low count for me.

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