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Emeryville, California, and the challenge of cleaning up poisoned land

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Re: Emeryville, California, and the challenge of cleaning up poisoned land

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post #5

Kind of impressed that slate managed to call an incorporated city in a different county a “suburb in sf”.

The whole bay area is SF to anyone not from the area. The city/county boundaries aren’t what people care about when describing a general area. Most people from london don’t live in “city of london”

Yeah, I live in London, but I have to say I say I live in Toronto (nearly 200km away) or else people think I'm in UK even if they know I'm in an American timezone

Re: Emeryville, California, and the challenge of cleaning up poisoned land

#42
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds remarkably similar to the Love Canal in the history of dirty industry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Canal

The Love Canal story is such an incredible cluster. When the chemical company sold the land to the city, they mentioned the waste and indicated they take no responsibility for it once the city acquires the land. Then "Not long after having taken control of the land, the Niagara Falls School Board proceeded to develop the land, including construction activity that substantially breached containment structures in a num…

>but for some odd reason they still decided to build a new school and a bunch of housing there.

The worst part about it is that it was then used to champion asinine legislation that hurts the people who want to do things right.

So now every municipality who wants to buy some old poisoned dump on the cheap (because it's poisoned and that restricts development) and not be idiots with it (e.g. turn it into a park or a parking lot or some other use not involving serious excavation) can't actually buy the land and do so because no sane company will sell it to them because they could just go and do something stupid and then turn around and make the company pay.

It's like the municipal equivalent of taking a free boat off someone's lawn in order to get an engine core and then acting like you got swindled when you find out it costs money or labor to get rid of a boat and then having the state pass a law making boat owners liable for disposal in perpetuity.

Re: Emeryville, California, and the challenge of cleaning up poisoned land

#43
post #9

I wish I had more to point at rn but, hemp crops can help pull toxins from soil. Other crops too , can help with a "brown zone" but hemp (and it's cousin) get more press.

Even if true, that would only clean the top few inches of soil (whatever depth the roots go), right?

Normal toxic site cleanups that I have read about usually involve at minimum replacing topsoil to a depth of several feet.

Re: Emeryville, California, and the challenge of cleaning up poisoned land

#44
post #9

I wish I had more to point at rn but, hemp crops can help pull toxins from soil. Other crops too , can help with a "brown zone" but hemp (and it's cousin) get more press.

Fungi also do this.

https://usfblogs.usfca.edu/sustainability/2022/02/03/mycorem...

Re: Emeryville, California, and the challenge of cleaning up poisoned land

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole bay area is SF to anyone not from the area. The city/county boundaries aren’t what people care about when describing a general area. Most people from london don’t live in “city of london”

We live in Greater London, with the Mayor of London (the City has a Lord Mayor). We tend to adjust our local government boundaries to match development, or create green belts to prevent sprawl.

In the greater SF Bay Area, the various cities and counties mostly already existed before the sprawl occurred. Adjusting local government boundaries at this point would be difficult. There are green belts, mostly in the surrounding hills.

Re: Emeryville, California, and the challenge of cleaning up poisoned land

#47
post #9

I wish I had more to point at rn but, hemp crops can help pull toxins from soil. Other crops too , can help with a "brown zone" but hemp (and it's cousin) get more press.

What do you do with the hemp once it has absorbed the toxins?

Use cannabis plans to extract the pollution from the soil, then extract and concentrate the pollution from the biomass, then find a way to safely store it or break it down safely.

Re: Emeryville, California, and the challenge of cleaning up poisoned land

#48
post #5

Kind of impressed that slate managed to call an incorporated city in a different county a “suburb in sf”.

Emeryville is a 10 minute drive from SF, or 1 mile away from a BART station that gets you to SF in 15 minutes. It is a suburb of SF or a suburb in the SF Bay Area.

SF is a suburb of SJ.

Re: Emeryville, California, and the challenge of cleaning up poisoned land

#49
post #9

I wish I had more to point at rn but, hemp crops can help pull toxins from soil. Other crops too , can help with a "brown zone" but hemp (and it's cousin) get more press.

Even if true, that would only clean the top few inches of soil (whatever depth the roots go), right? Normal toxic site cleanups that I have read about usually involve at minimum replacing topsoil to a depth of several feet.

Not to challenge your perspective because I agree to some degree, but hemp roots grow >=3,<=6 feet down due to the tap root.

Re: Emeryville, California, and the challenge of cleaning up poisoned land

#50
post #5

Kind of impressed that slate managed to call an incorporated city in a different county a “suburb in sf”.

The whole bay area is SF to anyone not from the area. The city/county boundaries aren’t what people care about when describing a general area. Most people from london don’t live in “city of london”

The whole bay area is also Silicon Valley to anyone not from the area
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