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Emeryville, California, and the challenge of cleaning up poisoned land

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Re: Emeryville, California, and the challenge of cleaning up poisoned land

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Kind of impressed that slate managed to call an incorporated city in a different county a “suburb in sf”.

Emeryville is a 10 minute drive from SF, or 1 mile away from a BART station that gets you to SF in 15 minutes. It is a suburb of SF or a suburb in the SF Bay Area.

It can be 30+ minutes in traffic. I did the EmeryvilleSF commute once when offices opened back up, then decided I needed to move back into the city.

Re: Emeryville, California, and the challenge of cleaning up poisoned land

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post #4

Emeryville started as a mudflat on the Bay where they'd drive cattle to slaughterhouses and leather tanners. It smelled real bad so they did it way out in the middle of nowhere. It sort of became the place for messy industry, when just burying the bad junk was considered sufficient. Company I worked for had major construction project for their campus expansion, but it took a while to clear the PG&E transformer storag…

Sounds remarkably similar to the Love Canal in the history of dirty industry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Canal

The Love Canal story is such an incredible cluster. When the chemical company sold the land to the city, they mentioned the waste and indicated they take no responsibility for it once the city acquires the land.

Then "Not long after having taken control of the land, the Niagara Falls School Board proceeded to develop the land, including construction activity that substantially breached containment structures in a number of ways, allowing previously trapped chemicals to seep out."

Everyone knew what was there, but for some odd reason they still decided to build a new school and a bunch of housing there.

Re: Emeryville, California, and the challenge of cleaning up poisoned land

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post #5

Kind of impressed that slate managed to call an incorporated city in a different county a “suburb in sf”.

I was a SF resident for 15 years then moved to the East Coast. Some notes from East Coasters: a) SF (the city) starts at the Golden Gate bridge and runs all the way to San Jose. b) Redwood city, San Jose and Oakland - anything located 50 miles around SF - these are all suburbs of SF. c) The entire state burns every summer.

It's kind of funny. People who live outside of SF will say "Oh, I live in a , it's so nice".

Then when talking to anyone from outside the Bay Area it's "I live in San Francisco", even it's take an hour to drive to the city proper.

Re: Emeryville, California, and the challenge of cleaning up poisoned land

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was a SF resident for 15 years then moved to the East Coast. Some notes from East Coasters: a) SF (the city) starts at the Golden Gate bridge and runs all the way to San Jose. b) Redwood city, San Jose and Oakland - anything located 50 miles around SF - these are all suburbs of SF. c) The entire state burns every summer.

As a San Jose resident this all seems pretty accurate TBH.

As a SoCal resident (c) is super accurate

Re: Emeryville, California, and the challenge of cleaning up poisoned land

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and here I am, wondering if it's safe to eat stuff grown in my yard because there was a fire at a nuclear weapons production facility 30 miles from here, 50 years ago.

If you collected a soil sample (a few spoons of dirt from 5-8 places in your garden, put in s plastic baggie.) Then get it tested - ask for a 32 element ICP. It's fairly cheap, 10-20$USD, gives you a run down of those 32 elements, and then you can see if there are any anomalies. They give you an answer in ppm (parts per million.) For example. Then you look at the published standards for soil quality. For example in your case, residential criteria. In your state. Find online. If you are more than a factor of 10 or 100 above that, in one element, you may have an issue. If there was a fire, and ashes blew your way, there could be detectable amounts. If there are, especially if those elements are suspected to originate from the fire. You can worry about further tests. Some organic compounds- by products of the fire may be there, and be measurable. And that gets more expensive.(~ $500) But you'll probably find everything is ok.

Re: Emeryville, California, and the challenge of cleaning up poisoned land

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post #5

Kind of impressed that slate managed to call an incorporated city in a different county a “suburb in sf”.

I was a SF resident for 15 years then moved to the East Coast. Some notes from East Coasters: a) SF (the city) starts at the Golden Gate bridge and runs all the way to San Jose. b) Redwood city, San Jose and Oakland - anything located 50 miles around SF - these are all suburbs of SF. c) The entire state burns every summer.

Similarly, real expectations our friends from NYC when visiting Colorado: 1- Buffalo would be roaming the streets 2- people would be riding horses around town 3- we would be skiing everywhere

Their real responses to visiting: "Where are all the people"

Re: Emeryville, California, and the challenge of cleaning up poisoned land

#28
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was a SF resident for 15 years then moved to the East Coast. Some notes from East Coasters: a) SF (the city) starts at the Golden Gate bridge and runs all the way to San Jose. b) Redwood city, San Jose and Oakland - anything located 50 miles around SF - these are all suburbs of SF. c) The entire state burns every summer.

It's kind of funny. People who live outside of SF will say "Oh, I live in a , it's so nice". Then when talking to anyone from outside the Bay Area it's "I live in San Francisco", even it's take an hour to drive to the city proper.

Basically if you fly out of SFO or Oakland Airport when you fly anywhere it's considered in this bucket for folks outside the area. It's such a huge difference and broad swath of cities/towns. From north of the bridge down to sf to Santa cruz to the east bay, San Jose and even further south. It's so much, so complex, and rich in ways not known by simply summarizing it all as SF suburbs.

Re: Emeryville, California, and the challenge of cleaning up poisoned land

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post #5

Kind of impressed that slate managed to call an incorporated city in a different county a “suburb in sf”.

The whole bay area is SF to anyone not from the area. The city/county boundaries aren’t what people care about when describing a general area.

Most people from london don’t live in “city of london”

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