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Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Brutalism" doesn't come from "brutal" but from "brut", meaning raw or unaltered. ...and when something has that quality, you say that it's brutal .

Not according to the dictionary. brutal, adjective savagely violent: a brutal murder. • unpleasant or harsh • direct and without attempting to disguise unpleasantness

If you only look at one meaning of the word and you feel like being brutally pedantic.

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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Is it tho? The article cites only two examples: Figma and Gumroad. While Figma obviously has the potential to influence lots of designs by being a design tool, it also seems to match the style much less directly than Gumroad. And while Gumroad is apparently a great example, two off-mainstream sites are hardly enough to base such an extremely broad claim on. Plus this style is not really new. It seems more like a reha…

It looks like a tentative to make it a trend. I’ve never seen a website that looked like what they describe. I’m quite sure there are many of them, but compared to something like the bootstrap look, or the flat design, it doesn’t seem to have any reach at the moment.

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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> People simply get bored with how their apps and websites look after six to seven years. They need a change. Is there any research that supports this claim? If I use an app for 6 years, why would I suddenly need a change? I'm still ocassionally using a 10 y/o version of Photoshop. In fact, I'm very happy that it does not change. I wouldn't want to spend time on re-learning the UI. The same is true for many apps that…

Agreed, I'd love to see some data on that claim, and for it to be in context with the friction a new design has against an existing userbase when a design change occurs. I get that as time goes on, functionality, usecases, userbases, developers, frameworks, etc all evolve over time, and it's wise to make changes to keep up with those shifts in paradigms (rise of mobile use vs desktop in the 2010's for example).

Never once heard: "Man, I sure wish this thing that I've gotten used to and enjoy using for the passed 10 years would suddenly reshuffle everything so I have to relearn where everything is just so it keeps up with whatever the new trend is". To be frank, sounds more like someone in search of some job security.

Changes are necessary over time yes, but without some studies backing it up, I can't fathom that change for the sake of staying "fresh" belongs anywhere in software design and development. As an imperative from marketing/management to attract a new userbase, sure, but that's not a Design or Dev motive. If there's an opportunity to unify the standard of design or consolidating/eliminating technical debt while undergoing a significant overhaul, sure, understandable. But "It seems a little stale, we should change it"? From a User's perspective? Please don't.

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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> People simply get bored with how their apps and websites look after six to seven years. They need a change. Is there any research that supports this claim? If I use an app for 6 years, why would I suddenly need a change? I'm still ocassionally using a 10 y/o version of Photoshop. In fact, I'm very happy that it does not change. I wouldn't want to spend time on re-learning the UI. The same is true for many apps that…

> People simply get bored with how their apps and websites look after six to seven years. They need a change. I would argue that the quote generalizes to all people, just as you are generalizing your sentiment to all people. I have a lot of 15 year old clothes in my wardrobe, I know many friends who feel the urge of buying a new outfit every few months. I am not passing judgement we are just not similar in our desire…

Thanks for the helpful explanation!

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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post #27

Luckily, I don't see this “taking over the web” at all. This looks like design created by people who aren't good at design.

Yes, Figma designers aren’t good at design. Thousands of people would disagree with you.

Sorry for being populist. Design is created for a purpose. If your goal is to ”take over the web”, a design that appeals only to a small minority means your design failed.

Also, Figma's website looks pretty normal. It's barely registering in the scale of “neobrutalim”, whatever the hell that's even supposed to mean for a digital media.

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Designers don't want their product to look dated. Once there's enough evidence that a new trend is taking over, they feel an urge to redesign. Like programmers feel a project need a an overhaul, even though the end user thinks everything is okay.

More like: Designers won't have jobs if web sites never need to be changed. So they create work for themselves by inventing the necessity of a redesign.

Designers mostly don't initiate these kinds of things. Some Jony Ive-like rockstar designer is fairly rare.

If you want the source of most redesign initiatives, look at the middle management and executive levels. At the end of the day, if they want a redesign and a designer says "no" they'll just be replaced.

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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> People simply get bored with how their apps and websites look after six to seven years. They need a change. Is there any research that supports this claim? If I use an app for 6 years, why would I suddenly need a change? I'm still ocassionally using a 10 y/o version of Photoshop. In fact, I'm very happy that it does not change. I wouldn't want to spend time on re-learning the UI. The same is true for many apps that…

>Is there any research that supports this claim? If I use an app for 6 years, why would I suddenly need a change?

obviously designers get bored with designs and want to change them, so I would guess that other people who use the apps that did not design the apps might also get tired with it, probably there are people out there who are not designers but have a heightened design sense and they get bored whereas people who have just average design sense don't care.

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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> Brutalism is a 1950’s architectural trend that was abandoning all decorations, and creating brutally simple buildings made from concrete. They often weren’t even painted to emphasize their brutal nature. So big, brutal blocks of concrete.

The word "brut" came from French "Béton brut" which means "raw concrete" — has nothing with how "brutal" we perceive it to be.

There's lots of architecture articles covering this but basically, the author hasn't done their research: https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Brutalism

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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> Brutalism is a 1950’s architectural trend that was abandoning all decorations, and creating brutally simple buildings made from concrete. They often weren’t even painted to emphasize their brutal nature. So big, brutal blocks of concrete. > It was the architects showing they were bored with the status-quo and trying something different. That feels very similar to the current search for the UI trend to take over des…

From what I can tell, the definition of 'brut' is fairly close to brutal, but more in the sense of brutal honesty, rather than brutal violence.

Adjective

gross: brut, grossier, flagrant, choquant, fruste, bouffi

crude: brut, vulgaire, grossier, cru, simple, sec

raw: brut, cru, pur, écru, âpre, novice

unrefined: non raffiné, brut

dry: sec, aride, séché, brut, tari, caustique

rude: grossier, rude, impoli, mal élevé, brut, brusque

Noun

crude: brut

plug-ugly: dur, brut

https://translate.google.com/?sl=fr&tl=en&text=brut&op=trans...

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not according to the dictionary. brutal, adjective savagely violent: a brutal murder. • unpleasant or harsh • direct and without attempting to disguise unpleasantness

If you only look at one meaning of the word and you feel like being brutally pedantic.

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