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Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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post #159

Hello again, Vivek, founder/CEO here. In the interest of moving swiftly, here are the actions we are going to take: (1) We have withdrawn the DMCA notice for sympy; Sent a note to senior leadership in Github to act on this quickly. (2) We have stopped the whole DMCA process for now and working on internal guidelines of what constitutes a real violation so that these kind of incidents don't happen. We are going to do…

Hello Vivek, Personally I like Hacker Rank and consider it a good way to learn about new algorithms but at the same time I do not like the style of interviews that require it and it makes me wish I could leave the industry because it's a waste of time for people with a lot of practical experience and who have a good portfolio of apps/sites they've created. That said, I would recommend not doing DMCA at all unless it'…

StackOverflow contributions are (thankfully!) licensed under the very permissive CC-BY-SA license. I suspect the sites ripping them off are not infringing copyright.

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

#262
post #37

Hello, I'm Vivek, founder/CEO of HackerRank. Our intention with this initiative is to takedown plagiarized code snippets or solutions to company assessments. This was definitely an unintended consequence. We are looking into it ASAP and also going to do an RCA to ensure this doesn't happen again. Sorry, everyone! EDIT: update here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31092085

Will you just stop with the DMCA bs, where you threaten random websites that talk about generic programming?

Your company does not own the basic algorithms that are the solutions to the tests on HackerRank.

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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Here's an archive.org snapshot of the evidence, for future archivists: https://web.archive.org/web/20220420062828/https://worthitso...

is that a joke? I mean a bunch of stock photos of white hipster people with an address in Lahore? No - that does seem to be their site. I mean that is disturbing on all sorts of levels. From "that's just poor web dev copy paste", to "those americans won't hire anyone who looks like us" to ... hell I don't know. that just bothers me

A real American firm would know to be more diverse!

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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post #171
post #126

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If you don't want to utterly destroy your company's reputation and have every company that depends on Python or other critical open source infrastructure boycotting you, you need to stop. Just stop. Don't send out any DMCA notices at all, not unless you encounter a case of infringement so blatant that it is obvious to all. And then make the decision yourself, don't contract it out. The risk of damage to others and bl…

Yes, agree https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31092085

You agree to

> stop. Just stop. Don't send out any DMCA notices at all, not unless you encounter a case of infringement so blatant that it is obvious to all. And then make the decision yourself, don't contract it out.

?

Sounds great - did you make similar promises last time?

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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post #163

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It is fucking happening.

Now that you've been called out publicly... What are you doing about all the other bogus DMCA claims you company has sent (itself or via its external contractors)? What are you doing to ensure this never happens again? Why should we believe your answers, and how can we see concrete evidence that you've stopped doing this and made up for all the times you've done it in that past?

> What are you doing about all the other bogus DMCA claims you company has sent

Multiple commenters asked him this and he never replied. Disappointing but not surprising. It's all just superficial hand waving. They are sorry but only for bring caught.

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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I wish I have enough time to host a dedicated hackerrank (among other such business model companies) solutions website in a jurisdiction that doesn't care for dmca at all.

This entire business model is shitty if it involves taking down the solutions for problems. None of this is novel and shouldn't be protected by anything (copyright or patents).

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

#267
post #42

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I’m curious - why even bother? What will you do if someone torrents the solutions? Focus on figuring out another solution. Leetcode for instance puts the solutions out there.

It's not an either or. We need to do the takedown AND figure out a way where we can do things like randomizing questions but preserving the integrity of it to ensure a fair evaluation, etc.

> we need to do the takedown

You’ve made a serious mistake somewhere in your reasoning. What you believe is the property of your relatively insignificant enterprise, the whole rest of the world knows damn well is not your property.

Besides, this is small potatoes. Why don’t you copyright Wikipedia, then DMCA WikiMedia, then put your copy behind a paywall.

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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post #73

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List of takedown notices from HackerRank to GitHub: https://github.com/github/dmca/search?q=HackerRank&type=

Thank you, this gives a lot of insight into what is going on. This one tells the whole story: https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/ea3736a0c4c9574e0c8cea06...

And yet the "repo" (seems to be a Gist) referred to in this couternotice is still down.

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

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Many people doesn't seem to understand what pain individuals undergo when their content is taken offline by Google or Github due to a fake DMCA notice. They would have built something over years and one morning entire thing is taken offline due to a fake DMCA notice. Then they have to issue a counter notice with all its legal implications and it also exposes all your private information including full address, name a…

You could fight them by counter claims and following the DMCA processes which on paper have stiff penalties for abuse. Practically I have never heard of major abuses being punished, so wouldn’t count on it. As a technologist perhaps solve it with tech, the first step would be to host your own content instead of using a third party app based in U.S. There is not a lot of deep tech to what GitHub gives as a githost, a…

That phase is now over. It's time to flood every company with malicious dmca notices that are automatically created from random snippets of publicly available content. You will see an attitude change overnight on the treatment of the dmca notices they receive. The only way to normalise a biased system is to increase the bias to the other side.

Re: HackerRank (YC S11) DMCA'ed the SymPy Docs [fixed]

#270
post #238

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Yup, and a couple of the stock photos of "Our team" are duplicates. Crazy. How does an outfit like this get hired?

well, how did HR get through YC?

They're talking about the company HackerRank hired to do DMCA takedowns, Worthit Solutions.
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