I use story points and estimation for my own personal projects. They are private numbers that only I can hold myself accountable for, so there's no reason to be dishonest. And they help me plan and gauge my trajectory and what I need to prioritize.
Eight points for one team is two points for another team
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Re: Eight points for one team is two points for another team
#32Whatever Agile was, it's absolute garbage these days. It largely exists to hold developers maximally accountable to the business, at the expense of technical excellence or even maintenance, which can be expressed in its gun-language of Jira tickets and so get ignored. Fuck user stories, fuck sprints, fuck Jira, and fuck product management (a job in which one defines success by getting into one's boss's job as fast as…
> Whatever Agile was Has it changed? The Manifesto[1] is still there, unmodified, to provide thoughts on what you need to consider if you are going to run a software project without managers. > Fuck user stories, fuck sprints, fuck Jira, and fuck product management That does not sound like Aglie, especially given that you specifically call out managers, which are incongruent with Agile. The top-down organization wher…
Ah, but you could say, "That's not Agile's fault that people don't live up to it," but in a sense, it is, because Agile did not bother to anticipate that people would fall off of the path. Agile has no orthodoxy. Agile does not suggest punishment for bringing up deadlines. This has allowed people to pick-and-choose.
Re: Eight points for one team is two points for another team
#33I have never seen a ton of value in the exact number of story points, but they are a good way to have the "30 minute debate" that the author decries. If a task is so unclearly written that the team can't get a rough idea of the complexity in a reasonable amount of time, then it's a signal that the story can't be done or that something needs to change; more knowledge sharing, clearer success criteria for the story/tas…
Re: Eight points for one team is two points for another team
#34This post is starting to fill up with what sounds like a kind of hopelessness mixed with anger against Agile. It's possible to do sprints, pointing, demos, and retros well, but you have to own it as the engineering team. This means understanding and adapting the process to your needs. Agree on your definition of done. Set boundaries for pointing. Prevent confusing or unfinished stories from being point. Communicate h…
Management needs to skill up.
Re: Eight points for one team is two points for another team
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Whatever Agile was Has it changed? The Manifesto[1] is still there, unmodified, to provide thoughts on what you need to consider if you are going to run a software project without managers. > Fuck user stories, fuck sprints, fuck Jira, and fuck product management That does not sound like Aglie, especially given that you specifically call out managers, which are incongruent with Agile. The top-down organization wher…
That is not at all what waterfall means. And calling "Agile" as the same thing as whatever the Manifesto says is like calling any other religion whatever their holy book "says".
Re: Eight points for one team is two points for another team
#36Whatever Agile was, it's absolute garbage these days. It largely exists to hold developers maximally accountable to the business, at the expense of technical excellence or even maintenance, which can be expressed in its gun-language of Jira tickets and so get ignored. Fuck user stories, fuck sprints, fuck Jira, and fuck product management (a job in which one defines success by getting into one's boss's job as fast as…
Now people get certifications in scrum dogma and claim we have to follow the one true way. Now it's entirely about managing people instead of about satisfying customers. That's why a bunch of folks left years ago to work on development as craft.
Re: Eight points for one team is two points for another team
#37Whatever Agile was, it's absolute garbage these days. It largely exists to hold developers maximally accountable to the business, at the expense of technical excellence or even maintenance, which can be expressed in its gun-language of Jira tickets and so get ignored. Fuck user stories, fuck sprints, fuck Jira, and fuck product management (a job in which one defines success by getting into one's boss's job as fast as…
> Whatever Agile was Has it changed? The Manifesto[1] is still there, unmodified, to provide thoughts on what you need to consider if you are going to run a software project without managers. > Fuck user stories, fuck sprints, fuck Jira, and fuck product management That does not sound like Aglie, especially given that you specifically call out managers, which are incongruent with Agile. The top-down organization wher…
Re: Eight points for one team is two points for another team
#38Whatever Agile was, it's absolute garbage these days. It largely exists to hold developers maximally accountable to the business, at the expense of technical excellence or even maintenance, which can be expressed in its gun-language of Jira tickets and so get ignored. Fuck user stories, fuck sprints, fuck Jira, and fuck product management (a job in which one defines success by getting into one's boss's job as fast as…
> Whatever Agile was Has it changed? The Manifesto[1] is still there, unmodified, to provide thoughts on what you need to consider if you are going to run a software project without managers. > Fuck user stories, fuck sprints, fuck Jira, and fuck product management That does not sound like Aglie, especially given that you specifically call out managers, which are incongruent with Agile. The top-down organization wher…
Re: Eight points for one team is two points for another team
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agile is assuredly garbage but having every development company use the exact same process and terminology is too valuable to give up. It reduces training times, increases tool familiarity, and gets the process out of the way of developers.
> Agile is assuredly garbage but having every development company use the exact same process and terminology is too valuable to give up. But...Agile doesn't involve that. Even when the same words are used, they don't have the same meaning, often, and the substantive processes even within vaguely Scrum-ish methodologies vary widely.
There are exceptions, but in far too many companies AGILE has become a religion that slows the workforce down with high priests who insist that their ritualistic practices be followed and their tithes be paid =[
Re: Eight points for one team is two points for another team
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is not at all what waterfall means. And calling "Agile" as the same thing as whatever the Manifesto says is like calling any other religion whatever their holy book "says".
You’re right in your second point, at least. Whatever you develop out of the thoughts of Agile won’t be called Agile. It is its own thing, with whatever new name you decide to give it.