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Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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That's a good thing. There are a number of mutually exclusive positions the left and right simply don't agree on. At this point the only way to achieve peace is if like minded people moved together and the ones that don't get along separate. That goes for California as well as Florida. It's painful in the short term but everyone will be happier long term. That's why it's the "United States " and not a "homogeneous na…

So I need to pack up and move my entire family history across the US because some Bozo got 54% of the vote? Ridiculous

46% of the state, roughly 10M people, should move, apparently.

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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I don't know much about it but it sounds like a topic designed to get the citizenry to bicker at each other about so they don't come together on much more important issues like economic, tax policy and justice reform. News has been trying to get it to stick for a while now.

It's a technical field of legal scholarship that isn't taught outside of law school. It's not designed for "the citizenry," but it's been scapegoated and demonized by folks on the right. That they never define what it is should be a red flag for any critical thinker. The easiest boogeyman to construct is completely amorphous. It requires zero evidence, just a constant onslaught of fearmongering.

>It's not designed for "the citizenry," but it's been scapegoated and demonized by folks on the right.

Again, don't care one way or the other but I'll take the "bait," if it was never designed for the citizenry, why is it being taught in elementary, middle and high schools, or is it?

As an aside, police are allowed to lie about evidence when interrogating suspects. Police are allowed to interrogate children without their parents consent or knowledge. Police are allowed to confiscate any cash they find in your car during a routine traffic stop without due process. This is typically done to bolster police budgets. I deem these as a way more important reforms that people are distracted from thinking about with this new wedge issue.

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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I could imagine it being something along the lines of "The economic productivity of a typical black slave was X... yada yada yada... how many dollars in reparations does America owe modern black Americans Y years later at interest rate Z." I could also imagine it being something much more benign. I really wish we could see what it actually was so we could see if the DoE's judgement here was reasonable or not.

> I could imagine it being something along the lines of It would be so nice if politicians could show us precisely what they're protecting our children from, so we wouldn't need to rely on HideousKojima's imagination for examples.

>so we wouldn't need to rely on HideousKojima's imagination for examples

I don't get it. What's so remarkable about "HideousKojima" (Hideo Kojima?)'s games?

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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> I could imagine it being something along the lines of It would be so nice if politicians could show us precisely what they're protecting our children from, so we wouldn't need to rely on HideousKojima's imagination for examples.

>so we wouldn't need to rely on HideousKojima's imagination for examples I don't get it. What's so remarkable about "HideousKojima" (Hideo Kojima?)'s games?

"HideousKojima" is just the HN username of the person who wrote the above possible example of what could be in the book

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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I take your point, but it elides a significant cohort of the population that doesn't have the financial resources to make such a choice. The proposed redistricting eliminates black/brown districts from the current electoral map, and those populations won't have the representation they have today as a result. A lot of these folks don't have the financial means to go elsewhere, so they're on the losing end with nowhere…

I think you might be conflating significant discomfort with financial inability. People used to uproot their families and migrate while scavenging, or dad would move to a place with better prospects while sending money back home until they'd saved enough to move. There are places where the cost of living is less than half what it is in Florida. Disrupting your family's life over a two year period to make a move is ri…

Just a gentle suggestion: next time you have a chance, talk to someone who is in the kind of economic situation you allude to here. Talk to the cleaners or security guards at your office, talk to people who perhaps clean your home or cut your grass, talk to any server or cook you interact with. You will hear lots of stories, I'm sure, but not many that fit into your picture here. More people than not are absolutely unable to make progress in their life, they are not "uncomfortable" with it, they are postponing medically necessary surgery to get the hours, they are working 60hrs a week gladly to just make rent, they are trying so hard to be smart with their time and opportunity, with little actual reward. Really, just ask! It will open your eyes, I promise you.

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Floridian here. I've lived here all my life, and DeSantis is the first Governor under whom I have felt that the entire agenda is piss off people who aren't politically aligned with his values. Not a week goes by without some inflammatory new policy making it into the news cycle, and it saddens me because Florida has a ton of problems that we could be collaborating on legislatively, but instead, it's just partisan bri…

Where?

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Floridian here. I've lived here all my life, and DeSantis is the first Governor under whom I have felt that the entire agenda is piss off people who aren't politically aligned with his values. Not a week goes by without some inflammatory new policy making it into the news cycle, and it saddens me because Florida has a ton of problems that we could be collaborating on legislatively, but instead, it's just partisan bri…

While what you say makes sense, the only solution is if people start calling out politicians within their party. Criticizing the other party doesn't promote internal change.

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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It's a technical field of legal scholarship that isn't taught outside of law school. It's not designed for "the citizenry," but it's been scapegoated and demonized by folks on the right. That they never define what it is should be a red flag for any critical thinker. The easiest boogeyman to construct is completely amorphous. It requires zero evidence, just a constant onslaught of fearmongering.

>It's not designed for "the citizenry," but it's been scapegoated and demonized by folks on the right. Again, don't care one way or the other but I'll take the "bait," if it was never designed for the citizenry, why is it being taught in elementary, middle and high schools, or is it? As an aside, police are allowed to lie about evidence when interrogating suspects. Police are allowed to interrogate children without t…

> or is it?

That's the question, isn't it? We're being told that it is. We're told that 42 out of 54 rejected math books "incorporate prohibited topics or unsolicited strategies, including CRT." Of those 42 books, how many included CRT and not some other "prohibited topic" or "unsolicited strategy"? Doesn't say. What does an example of a math book including CRT even look like? Doesn't say.

And as much as I agree with your aside... this was done by the Florida Department of Education and textbook review is within their mandate and abusive policing is not. While I wish it wasn't a partisan issue, it seems that everything is a partisan issue these days, even chicken sandwiches.

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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With so little information it's not clear what we can discuss.

Really? We can't discuss the fact that our government is making decisions about what teachers can and can't teach children, and have decided they can keep the entire process, including their decisions secret from us? That feels like enough to discuss to me.

> We can't discuss the fact that our government is making decisions about what teachers can and can't teach children

If public school teachers made the decisions than the government would be making the decisions. Public school teachers in Florida (and frankly elsewhere in the US) are government employees. This is a government setting teaching standards for itself, its literally what government has been doing since it got into the public education business.

In Florida (and frankly elsewhere in the US) private schools can set and choose their own curriculums. If the public curriculum is not to your liking, go private. I believe even in Florida, you can opt in to charter schools too, which have more curriculum flexibility than the public schools.

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Such news stories add credence to the idea that the web + social media have been a universal solvent for societies. Especially democratic societies. Three decades ago, such a move would have been an eyebrow raising 2 to 5 minute news story on the evening news. Or, mentioned in a tiny column in the newspaper on some page. Most people wouldn't have come into contact with it. Let alone with such vigor that it led to an…

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