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Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by notreallyserio »

slowhand09 wrote: post #67
areoform wrote: post #21

Such news stories add credence to the idea that the web + social media have been a universal solvent for societies. Especially democratic societies. Three decades ago, such a move would have been an eyebrow raising 2 to 5 minute news story on the evening news. Or, mentioned in a tiny column in the newspaper on some page. Most people wouldn't have come into contact with it. Let alone with such vigor that it led to an…

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Are we still talking about math books or did you mean to post this elsewhere?

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by robbedpeter »

tmountain wrote: post #63
usrn wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a good thing. There are a number of mutually exclusive positions the left and right simply don't agree on. At this point the only way to achieve peace is if like minded people moved together and the ones that don't get along separate. That goes for California as well as Florida. It's painful in the short term but everyone will be happier long term. That's why it's the "United States " and not a "homogeneous na…

I take your point, but it elides a significant cohort of the population that doesn't have the financial resources to make such a choice. The proposed redistricting eliminates black/brown districts from the current electoral map, and those populations won't have the representation they have today as a result. A lot of these folks don't have the financial means to go elsewhere, so they're on the losing end with nowhere…

I think you might be conflating significant discomfort with financial inability. People used to uproot their families and migrate while scavenging, or dad would move to a place with better prospects while sending money back home until they'd saved enough to move.

There are places where the cost of living is less than half what it is in Florida. Disrupting your family's life over a two year period to make a move is risky and painful, but far more feasible than people usually say.

Given modern food banks, charity, gofundme, etc, not wanting to move is a decision rooted in comfort, not survival.

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by mardifoufs »

mezcaliente wrote: post #62

I found more information on the Florida Dept. of Education site: https://www.fldoe.org/academics/standards/instructional-mate... This appears to be the list of the 132 books submitted for review: https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/5574/urlt/2021-22-S... And this I believe is the list of books that were approved: https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/5574/urlt/2122MathA...

Wait so why is everyone saying that they have not published the book list? Am I missing something?

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by bandyaboot »

HideousKojima wrote: post #3

It'd be nice if the Florida DoE actually included some examples of the objectional text

They do not want to jeopardize this moral panic they've crafted by showing people concrete examples of what it's all about.

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by foxyv »

gizajob wrote: post #47
vmception wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consensus is a gradient amongst representatives in a system where compromise is paraded as a feature instead of a bug. The cognitive dissonance you experience is because there is no specific individual supporting these competing ideas.

I was highlighting a paradox in the postulate above mine, not expressing cognitive dissonance which is an ungrounded assumption to make based on such a pithy comment.

The dude asked for simple. Trying to argue with a simplified version of someone else's argument instead of the actual argument is a favorite straw man.

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by car_analogy »

Bhilai wrote: post #15

The article is lacking in substance because it does not actually tell you what material in the math books was so egregious that the book deserved to be banned or may be state of Florida did not publish this information. Banning books seems to be the new battle ground for politicians, sigh.

> state of Florida did not publish this information.

Correct. DeSantis is using the journalistic practice of branding something as some flavor of offensive, without citing any examples. This is the first time I see journalists complain about it and demand specifics.

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by mardifoufs »

bediger4000 wrote: post #59
JaimeThompson wrote: post #54

Soon they will loop back around to banning / modifying the teaching of evolutionary theory like some tried in the recent past because of "religious" reasons.

I have a suspicion that banning teaching evolution is the ultimate goal here. Or maybe just getting rid of public schools altogether, but leaving in place a mandate for children to get an 8th grade education. Religious schooling will always be cheaper, since we don't tax churches, so all the voucher money will go to schools that teach creationism.

I think that's just a variant of the slippery slope fallacy. There's nothing related to religion here, and they have not mentioned anything about evolution.

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by namelessoracle »

Bhilai wrote: post #15

The article is lacking in substance because it does not actually tell you what material in the math books was so egregious that the book deserved to be banned or may be state of Florida did not publish this information. Banning books seems to be the new battle ground for politicians, sigh.

"Banning" = "Not buying" now?

The books can still be bought and sold, they just wont be with public dollars.

Is Harry Potter "banned" now by most of Twitter too?

Re: Florida rejects 54 math books, claiming critical race theory appeared in some

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Post by JaimeThompson »

mardifoufs wrote: post #78
bediger4000 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a suspicion that banning teaching evolution is the ultimate goal here. Or maybe just getting rid of public schools altogether, but leaving in place a mandate for children to get an 8th grade education. Religious schooling will always be cheaper, since we don't tax churches, so all the voucher money will go to schools that teach creationism.

I think that's just a variant of the slippery slope fallacy. There's nothing related to religion here, and they have not mentioned anything about evolution.

Actually they have if you look at some of the groups that support some of this stuff and the language they use. Very reminiscent of the language used in their attempts to ban evolutionary teaching and related subjects. A lot of the same groups against CRT are also against LGBTQ rights on the basis of religious beliefs.
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