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Re: It is not topics that are censored, it is behaviour

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>Both sides think the platform is institutionally biased against them. Hilarious coming from someone who used to work at Reddit. Apart from blatantly illegal stuff, the one thing most likely to get a subreddit in trouble with Reddit's Anti-Evil Operations is allowing open debate about whether trans women are women. Even if the mods take every effort to make rules and remove posts calling for violence etc. and merely…

I'm not seeing anything in your comment that actually refutes the substance of what Wong said.

Volunteering to show your own oppression receipts isn't evidence against the idea that people from many political poles thing the platform is institutionally biased against them. It actually reinforces his point. Particularly when he takes pains to point out that anyone running this kind of circus is always going to find out that no single stable system or rules are going to be adequate to address behavior that surrounds discourse with limited accountability.

I frequent at least one sub where trans-skeptical discussion is certainly present (/r/JordanPeterson , in spite of the fact that it's largely a political fun-house mirror now more than a venue for discussing his work). I see that kind of discussion regularly. You may want to consider that something else is going in the sub you're referring to. Particularly considering it's one in which apparently both lowering the age of consent and trans-skeptical topics are a staple (the potential behavioral red flags almost throw themselves).

> ratio of trans to aoc posts that get removed is like 10:1).

What's the ratio of trans posts that don't get removed to those that do?

What's the ratio of shitposts where the frame is ultimately about how one should behave towards trans people vs posts that are courteously principled with the obvious point of exploring what gender/sex actually are and how might know?

What's the ratio of worldview to discourse?

Re: It is not topics that are censored, it is behaviour

#32

"A long thread on how I used to believe in Free Speech but now don't" "Free speech changed, it was about being free to behave badly on certain topics against repressive forces in charge. Now we are in charge, so it's different"

Freedom of speech doesn't actually matter to to someone who mischaracterizes what Wong said so profoundly and misses so many important and useful points he made.

Re: It is not topics that are censored, it is behaviour

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What behaviour deserved censorship in this example? https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/facebook-urged-to-act-o...

It’s discussed in the thread. At one point (and maybe it was wrong) such findings were weaponized to the detriment of the community — i.e. vaccines are dangerous.

I agree though with your point that he’s being a bit sanctimonious. It’s not just about community civility — there’s an overarching “we are doing what’s best for world” attitude that Facebook and the like are also employing.

Re: It is not topics that are censored, it is behaviour

#34

This thread is amazingly good. Yishan’s observation is on the spot: All my left-wing woke friends are CONVINCED that the social media platforms uphold the white supremacist misogynistic patriarchy, and they have plenty of screenshots and evidence of times when the platform has made enforcement decisions unfairly against innocuous things they've said, and let far more egregious sexist/racist violations by the other si…

I disagree. I don’t think Twitter holds up any sort of white supremacy. It’s a bad example.

Re: It is not topics that are censored, it is behaviour

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What behaviour deserved censorship in this example? https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/facebook-urged-to-act-o...

It’s discussed in the thread. At one point (and maybe it was wrong) such findings were weaponized to the detriment of the community — i.e. vaccines are dangerous. I agree though with your point that he’s being a bit sanctimonious. It’s not just about community civility — there’s an overarching “we are doing what’s best for world” attitude that Facebook and the like are also employing.

I didn’t get a sanctimonious tone. I got a frustrated/tired one. Like a warning from someone who has seen it happen 100 times and can’t put a lot of energy into it anymore.

Just “I’ve been there, this is what’s going to happen, sorry but it really sucks.“

Re: It is not topics that are censored, it is behaviour

#36

It puzzles me how this thread is worth flagging. Let me guess, it is not topics that are censored but behavior? There must be the right wingers who censored this /sarcasm

Probably because the title was badly editorialized, which is against the site guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html).

A repost is on the front page right now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31044693

Re: It is not topics that are censored, it is behaviour

#37

It puzzles me how this thread is worth flagging. Let me guess, it is not topics that are censored but behavior? There must be the right wingers who censored this /sarcasm

There’s a couple of guesses I can make. First of all a lot of people are really tired of Elon Musk and don’t wanna hear about him. In general that’s where I am. So they flagged it (I didn’t).

Then there’s the hard-core Elon fans who don’t want to say anything bad about him. They probably flagged it too.

Some people are probably tired of this specific topic. There’s been a lot of stories about Elon Musk and Twitter over the last two days or so, why do we need one more? Everyone’s going to say mostly the same things anyway. Elon is right. Elon is an idiot. He’ll save twitter. He’ll ruin it. I hate twitter. Blah blah blah. So they flag it.

He provides a very unique and useful perspective, but it’s not clear from the headline. That probably doesn’t help. Sorry.

Re: It is not topics that are censored, it is behaviour

#38
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s discussed in the thread. At one point (and maybe it was wrong) such findings were weaponized to the detriment of the community — i.e. vaccines are dangerous. I agree though with your point that he’s being a bit sanctimonious. It’s not just about community civility — there’s an overarching “we are doing what’s best for world” attitude that Facebook and the like are also employing.

I didn’t get a sanctimonious tone. I got a frustrated/tired one. Like a warning from someone who has seen it happen 100 times and can’t put a lot of energy into it anymore. Just “I’ve been there, this is what’s going to happen, sorry but it really sucks.“

You’re right. I meant the idea that the only thing platform owners do is optimize for the community.
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