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Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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That’s not the way it works. So of course it sounds illegal because you’ve made up an illegal scenario. When the board triggers this clause, they may sell shares to existing shareholders at a discount. These are new shares. Companies have every right to sell shares outside of the exchange they’re listed on… and they do that all the time, through employee grants or options, for example. When raising funds they general…

A company can't pay a dividend to some shareholders but not others. This action would effectively be giving in-the-money call options to some shareholders but not others. Probably legal, but pretty dodgy.

> company can't pay a dividend to some shareholders but not others

But it can sell shares to some and not others [1]. (This was a landmark decision [2].)

[1] https://law.justia.com/cases/delaware/supreme-court/1985/493...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unocal_Corp._v._Mesa_Petroleum....

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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Given that it’s at a share price premium for 90%+ of the lifetime of the stock since IPO, yes. Most shares were bought below the price Musk is asking.

If North Korea offered $60 billion to buy Twitter would Twitter be forced to sell? Not comparing Musk to NK, but money isn't the only consideration when an offer to sell comes in.

They certainly had no problem with selling to Saudi Arabia.

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No it isn't. They key is that management and board are against it and the deal is still pursued by the (potential) acquirer. It is perfectly possible to initiate a conversation regarding an acquisition and this is not a hostile takeover per-se though it could develop into one. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hostiletakeover.asp

Musk made an unsolicited, and what seems to be a non-investment choice, purchase of almost 10% of the shares and wanted to join the board. As far as I can tell, the board made his board seat contingent on Musk not buying more than 14.9% and Musk said no, and a few days later offered to buy the company outright. Now Twitter is taking moves to prevent a hostile takeover. That sounds like a hostile takeover to me.

I'm not acting at all, I'm just nailing down what a hostile takeover bid is because there seems to be some lack of clarity about that.

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Hostile, in financial terms, is whenever the board or CEO did not initiate a conversation around an acquisition, and it is just made to the company.

No it isn't. They key is that management and board are against it and the deal is still pursued by the (potential) acquirer. It is perfectly possible to initiate a conversation regarding an acquisition and this is not a hostile takeover per-se though it could develop into one. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hostiletakeover.asp

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Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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Indeed, what happens when Elon starts his own platform instead and uses some of the ~$40 billion he'd otherwise buy Twitter with instead on paying top users of Twitter to exclusively use his platform instead?

> what happens when Elon starts his own platform He wouldn't bother because it'd be a failure. Twitter's tech stack isn't worth 40 billion, Musk could clone twitter for less than $500m, but just having a platform doesn't accomplish much, the overwhelming majority of twitter users have no reason to leave twitter.

I bet there would be a whole lot of people that would join elon-twitter.

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I'm pretty sure a majority of shares of Twitter care about making the most money ahead of everything else. But just offering a 50% premium might not be enough. They'll need to pay taxes on the realized gains and they'll need to find other places to put their money.

>They'll need to pay taxes on the realized gains The bulk of the holders of stock in most public companies are institutional investors that don't need to pay taxes on the realized gains.

> institutional investors [] don't need to pay taxes on [] gains.

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If I was a member of Twitter's board, Musk's history of erratic public behavior, SEC settlement, and openly hostile attitude towards the company's employees would be more than sufficient to justify my belief that his controlling ownership would not be in the interest of the current average shareholder. That opinion would also be consistent with how "fiduciary duty" is interpreted by US regulators: companies are not r…

One can equally argue that opens sourcing Twitter algorithm and building trust would bring incalculable number of new users, have a profound impact on their ad business and not to mention, cut down their competitor's moat. People will flock to Twitter like bees. Ad revenue + subscription would skyrocket. So, it can go either way and can be argued either way.

That’s correct. Which is why “fiduciary duty” arguments aren’t very good.

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That’s not the way it works. So of course it sounds illegal because you’ve made up an illegal scenario. When the board triggers this clause, they may sell shares to existing shareholders at a discount. These are new shares. Companies have every right to sell shares outside of the exchange they’re listed on… and they do that all the time, through employee grants or options, for example. When raising funds they general…

There must be some expectation about the rate of share issuance, I think that's what the parent comment is getting at. ESOP pools are well understood (and IIRC defined upfront). Threatening to sell massively discounted shares equivalent to existing shares without even so much as an SEC filing about it (as of a few hours ago), that's the part where it becomes questionable for me. If the new shares are marketable, then…

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If I was a member of Twitter's board, Musk's history of erratic public behavior, SEC settlement, and openly hostile attitude towards the company's employees would be more than sufficient to justify my belief that his controlling ownership would not be in the interest of the current average shareholder. That opinion would also be consistent with how "fiduciary duty" is interpreted by US regulators: companies are not r…

The fate of the company after it has been taken private doesn't matter as far as "fiduciary duty" is concerned.

> fate of the company after it has been taken private doesn't matter as far as "fiduciary duty" is concerned

If it goes private. As always, Matt Levine says it better than I can:

"...the financing seems to be made up of cobwebs and phlogiston. But also Musk has joked about taking companies private before, and he generally changes his mind a lot. (He agreed to join Twitter’s board last week! And then changed his mind four days later!) If you are a well-advised professional public company board, it is just catastrophic to imagine that you might say 'okay Elon $54.20 it is' and then he’d say 'ha no I was kidding, psych!' That would be crippling for a public company. Also that is basically what he did to Twitter’s board last weekend!"

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-04-15/sure-e...

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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Isn't your sample biased? Distressed companies are more likely to attract takeover attempts (hostile or not) compared to healthy ones; and they are also more likely to tank. As far as I can tell, Twitter is not in financial distress.

from my understanding they've been going downhill for quite some time.

"I don't like it" != financial distress.

From Twitter's 2021 10K:

"FY 2021 Highlights Total revenue was $5.08 billion, an increase of 37%, compared to 2020."

2021 net losses were $221M, which is a big improvement on $1.135B in 2020.

Honestly seems like things are really shaping up @ Twitter.

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