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Here's some info on the relevant law as it pertains to California (where AWS is based). TLDR: "non-compete agreements are not enforceable in California" https://www.callahan-law.com/are-non-competes-enforceable-in... If you live somewhere else, I don't know if California law would apply or your local laws, so like other said you should consult an attorney who specializes in this area.
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That sums up non competes in Europe. Usually companies are required to pay 25%-75% of a former employee's salary in order to make a non compete clause enforceable.
Not high enough, it should be greater than 100% to penalize the employer more.
Generally, are non-competes even enforceable? Especially in industries (like cloud providers) where there is a very small number of players.
'Amazon is suing a cloud employee who left for Google, rekindling the debate over non-compete agreements' https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/11/aws-case-against-worker-who-...
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They hope AWS won't enforce it. If you aren't very important (L7+, senior management), and you don't work on the _same exact_ project at a competitor, Amazon will probably not attempt to enforce it. Is it right that Amazon are doing this? Hell, no: they're awful for doing this. But that's not even one of the top-five awful things they do to employees.
I am genuinely curious -- what _are_ the top-five awful things in your mind?
If you’re asking us here in HN, then it’s very unlikely that you have the sort of negotiating power required to get any sizable company to approve a customized set of legal documents relating to your hire. Changes to the standard set of hiring paperwork often require multiple managers and lawyers to sign off on it. For most positions and candidates, the effort isn’t considered worth it. You can certainly ask, but don…
Addendums are much easier for them to agree to.
Also note that Massachusetts recently (2018) signed into law restrictions on non-competes. One of the major aspects is that such a clause provide "garden leave" pay for employees during their noncompete period. [2]
You can alternatively/also simply ask for more pay in compensation, claiming such a clause is non-standard in the field (personally, I've seen very few), and thus it's a material change to what was previously negotiated. That didn't work for me (I was already at the top of the salary range for the level I was assigned to), but since it doesn't involve lawyers, it's more likely to happen.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_form_contract#Contrac...
[2] https://www.slnlaw.com/massachusetts-non-compete-act.html
Here's some info on the relevant law as it pertains to California (where AWS is based). TLDR: "non-compete agreements are not enforceable in California" https://www.callahan-law.com/are-non-competes-enforceable-in... If you live somewhere else, I don't know if California law would apply or your local laws, so like other said you should consult an attorney who specializes in this area.
AWS is based in Seattle, Washington, not California.
Disclaimer: Not a lawyer.
Amazon are struggling for engineers lately. There's a good chance if you just don't sign it they won't bat an eyelid.
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I am genuinely curious -- what _are_ the top-five awful things in your mind?
I think #'s 1 & 2 have to be 1) stack ranking & forced PIPs, and 2) comp policies overall (the stock vesting schedule being part of it, the bonus program covering the first two years being another, and the [until this year] low base salary cap being a third).
For warehouse and delivery workers... There's probably a chapter in the Bible just covering that.
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The couple of times I've had friends or coworkers deal with non-competes it wasn't an issue of enforceability but rather are the employee AND the new employer willing to deal with it. Both times the new company withdrew its employment offers. It is pretty terrible. It leaves the employee at a company they don't want to be at. This was in Colorado and Texas FWIW
Disclosing such a non-compete to a potential employer is such a dumb move that it’s pretty obvious why they would withdraw their offer. Not because the non-compete is scary, but because the potential new hire is clearly an idiot.