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Re: Tell HN: Turned 44 today and I'm lost

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Turned 34 today and feel similar, minus a loving partner and millions in the bank. The only way I keep going is to keep an intellectual and creative pursuit at all times. Currently I'm trying to build a deep understanding of public healthcare system since it's relevant to my life experience, and also learning a new instrument. That seems to get my mind on more important things than how I feel. Otherwise I just try to…

Same age, situation and feeling here too. Unfortunately I have lost my drive for intellectual and creative pursuits, though. I've got a point where I've already figured out all the things I was curious about in my youth and no more have been added to the list. It just doesn't seem worth it with nobody to share life with. I'm considering volunteering for something to make myself useful. One of things missing for a sol…

> I have lost my drive for intellectual and creative pursuits, though. I've got a point where I've already figured out all the things I was curious about in my youth and no more have been added to the list. It just doesn't seem worth it with nobody to share life with.

I completely feel you on this. And for months at a time I have been lost without any. Inspiration is hard to find, but it's out there I think. Competence plays a big factor. It's no fun to do things you suck at, but you've grown bored of the stuff you ARE good at. Basically I have to commit to a slog (like an instrument) until momentum is built, or find something with immediate gratification (like reading about a salient topic in my life).

In either case, it's just a coping mechanism I think, not a solution.

Volunteering makes total sense. I think we're really good at doing things for ourselves but that stops delivering after a decade of succeeding at that. Many people cite helping others as central to the meaning in their lives.

Re: Tell HN: Turned 44 today and I'm lost

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Everyone is different. I can't say what will work for you, but don't forget to exercise, preferably outdoors. I started jogging because I was feeling down; a friend called and asked me if I wanted to train for a marathon with her. I didn't think that was feasible, but she convinced me and I started jogging. I trained with a running group that was made up of a large number of beginners like myself along with some good runners thrown in.

I started by running one mile, not too fast the first group meeting. I settled into running with other beginners like myself. As time passed, I would run about four days a week. One run every week slowly grew longer and longer and the other three runs stayed about the same sorter distance for my entire 8 or so months of training. It turned out it wasn't too difficult with an organization that set our courses and suggested runs.

I ended up losing weight and being in the best shape in my life at 50 years old, and I slept well every night. Importantly, it really changed my mood and I felt great. I had made new friends, had time to reflect on things while running, and had the satisfaction of reaching goals. At 55, I ran a qualifying time that allowed me to run in the Boston marathon.

I have had other friends that despised running; they took up swimming or biking. All of these can produce positive effects.

Re: Tell HN: Turned 44 today and I'm lost

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A lot of comments have said "stay in therapy" or "quit therapy", but my immediate reaction is that maybe you have the wrong (ineffective) therapist and need to switch . My spidey sense went up when you mentioned what "you told your therapist", full stop. I was at least expecting "what my therapist responded" or "what my therapist told me that didn't work". That really (spidey sense, no evidence really) implies that y…

He could also try Internal Family Systems (IFS). It's way better than cognitive behavioral therapy, IMHO, because it's about understanding the parts of the psyche. This includes the helpful, not so helpful, and parts that make us do negative behaviors and coming to terms with them instead of suppressing them.

I feel like my IFS trained therapist is actually a professional doing skilled work helping me explore and understand my personality instead of just being a rent-a-friend like my previous therapists.

Re: Tell HN: Turned 44 today and I'm lost

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John 10:10-11 (Jesus speaking) "...I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep."

John 6:27 (Jesus speaking) "Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man (Jesus) will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal."

I'm sorry for your pain. God loves you. Seek Him with all your heart, whether you are in therapy or not, and he will open your eyes through his word and his Holy Spirit. His word is in the Bible.

Re: Tell HN: Turned 44 today and I'm lost

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At the end of the day we're all monkeys who have been biologically incentivized, since the first cell to ever exist, to survive long enough to pass on our genes.

As Dawkins covers in The Selfish Gene, sometimes this can manifest in abstract ways, like helping pass your genes by supporting your nieces age nephews (or even more abstractly, helping humans in general live on). You haven't mentioned anything in your life that is involved in helping create the next generation of humans.

In fact, you've mainly mentioned your journey has been materialistic, and even your solutions seem related to chemicals. Maybe the game you're even trying to play is what's inherently depressing.

My advice would be to a part of the world where people are suffering and try to help them, that'd likely give you the fulfilment and perspective you need.

Re: Tell HN: Turned 44 today and I'm lost

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I see you. There is a lot of advice being giving here. What works for one person may work for another, and frankly, it may not. You already have the wisdom required to live a fulfilling life within. Truly believing this and discovering this wisdom is often not easy, as it appears you have already discovered. All I can say is that the process of deeply getting to know myself has been a lot of work and absolutely worth…

What did the beginning of the journey to know yourself look like? What did you do or think about to kickstart that?

Re: Tell HN: Turned 44 today and I'm lost

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I too have probably peaked out (zenith) but I look fondly back at what I accomplished. I made mistakes, I wish I had behaved differently, but I regard the past as my life and I couldn't really have had it any other way. I take solace in mentoring and helping others achieve the next step in their journeys.

Re: Tell HN: Turned 44 today and I'm lost

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I’ll be blunt: It’s the height of egotism to believe you’ve seen it all. There’s always something new to explore and understand. Curiosity is the opposite of ennui, which it sounds like is what you have.

You finally have the freedom to do things because they’re interesting, not because you need the money. Make the most of that golden opportunity!

Re: Tell HN: Turned 44 today and I'm lost

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"Zenith" is an interesting word. You might want to ponder "growth" vs "progression."

Most of what you said suggests that you're really good at doing jobs. All that stuff has a quantitative aspect to it. There are expectations to exceed, there are "firsts," companies sell for a specific numerical value.

I've had some similar feelings about things, I used to be a bicycle racer and in my mid-40s it sort of hit me like a lightning bolt but no amount of training was going to allow me to repeat some of the things I had done on a bike in my younger years. I feel fortunate, I love riding, I loved racing too but I can experience joy from a good ride. Sounds to me, and this is a total guess, but you don't particularly like writing software (or whatever it was your companies did) so much as you like competing and progressing. You've done well, you've got all the good badges in this Pokemon go of life. Stop competing, do some art or something, take up fishing, serve lunch at a local homeless shelter a couple times a week (it's really hard to be the best at that,) be present for your wife and kids. Find something you like to do for the sake of doing and not for the progression and competition of it. Be strict with yourself about it because it's damn easy to "compete" at a lot of things. Shit, do the hard thing, and go do something you're bad at and keep doing it, you don't have to be good at it; learn pottery or glass blowing or something.

I've been doing classic outdoor activities with my kids the last couple years, shooting, fishing, archery, etc.. It's an insanely good way to create space to talk with them and just have relationships with them and then every now and then someone does something that they are really proud of. The archery guys seem to get it the best and almost have mysticisms around it, but you can do everything perfectly in these activities, you can have the best gear, you can find the best places, you can do it all completely perfect and come home empty handed... it's just not always in your control and it's still a good experience that is worth doing. There are a lot of things like that. We have a pond near us, I don't know how many times I've had a long day of problem solving, went to the pond with the kids, caught no fish at all and we all came home happier after just being outside and watching the sun go down.

Do keep talking to therapists and definitely do talk to people if you're particularly down about this day. You're young though, there is a ton of great stuff for you left to do and contribute.

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