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I'm tired of Google's business products
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Re: I'm tired of Google's business products
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
For whatever reason, if you post and it goes viral on twitter or reddit they tend to notice and comply....
I've noticed this trend. However, this is not a solution. There are many people with similar problems who cannot win the viral lottery.
Yes! It's a systemic issue and it has turned into a popularity contest online... whoever has more clout gets their account fixed... It is a big issue and I agree with you.
Re: I'm tired of Google's business products
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you're in the Apple ecosystem, file sharing through iCloud and the Apple quite of apps is pretty good (not quite as good as O365, but worlds better than Google Docs)
I have to disagree here. iCloud file sharing is atrociously bad. I share a fairly minimal amount of files with another apple account and there's constant sync issues, it's not anywhere near realtime or even "soon". Shared files and folders routinely never show up in iCloud drive even when they appear on the web interface. Restarts seem to be required to fix problems as they arise.
I've had nary an issue in the last several eyars since first trying it ... guess this may be a ymmv situation?
Re: I'm tired of Google's business products
#124I hate Google Workspace so much. Not because of the product, which seems fine. But because 10 years ago I signed up for google apps. It was marketed as a way to have a vanity gmail domain. Free forever up to 10 users. I thought it was cool, was a huge Google fan at the time, and created a custom domain for myself and another one for my grandparents. Now, 10 years later they are holding my online persona hostage in a…
> Now, 10 years later they are holding my online persona hostage in a shameless cash grab to try and make Workspaces more profitable. I'm in the same boat, but since ~2006 when I started my first company (dont recall exactly when I set up my google apps account though). I have to chose whether to move my account (which thanks to sign in with google is attached to more places than I can even remember), or pony up $6/m…
My baby, PretzelBox.cc, is no Google but it does give you an inbox for your domain and a half decent looking blog (https://pretzelbox.cc/blog/) and a way to store and share files.
/shameless_plug
Re: I'm tired of Google's business products
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
> All I ever wanted was my own Gmail domain You don't need Workspace to use the Gmail UI with your custom domain. All you need is a regular free @gmail.com account. First switch your domain to an email hosting service that provides SMTP and IMAP, you probably get one free from your domain registrar. In Gmail settings for your @gmail account, add your custom domain as an alternate address for sending mail, using your…
Is there an in-depth howto guide to do this?
FWIW, this is literally exactly how my product PretzelBox (https://pretzelbox.cc) works. We are looking for beta users, if you care to take it for a spin.
Re: I'm tired of Google's business products
#126I've never much cared for Google Workspaces. Give me dedicated desktop applications. Our corporate Google drive is a hot useless mess of ugly, half-finished files.
> I hope Google gets some real competition soon because it feels like they are falling off.
Microsoft Office is still a big player, and I personally really like the 365 ecosystem.
Re: I'm tired of Google's business products
#127I was one of those people who was hesitant to jump on the cloud bandwagon as a personal user, I didn't trust it. I didn't foresee the random account closings, but I file them under "service interruptions I can't predict". I don't own a business, but if I did I'd strongly question every attempt to give up control. There is nothing worse than having your business threatened by some crazy algorithm that won't stop banning you for who knows what obscure reason, or whatever the next thing will be in a few years. It's obviously an unaccounted for risk and it should be handled as one. If my business depends on it and I can't reposition fast enough, it could be disastrous.
I also distrust "free". If I'm not signing a contract, I have to assume I don't have any real recourse if something random like this happens.
Re: I'm tired of Google's business products
#128I hate Google Workspace so much. Not because of the product, which seems fine. But because 10 years ago I signed up for google apps. It was marketed as a way to have a vanity gmail domain. Free forever up to 10 users. I thought it was cool, was a huge Google fan at the time, and created a custom domain for myself and another one for my grandparents. Now, 10 years later they are holding my online persona hostage in a…
> Now, 10 years later they are holding my online persona hostage in a shameless cash grab to try and make Workspaces more profitable. I'm in the same boat, but since ~2006 when I started my first company (dont recall exactly when I set up my google apps account though). I have to chose whether to move my account (which thanks to sign in with google is attached to more places than I can even remember), or pony up $6/m…
I run an online club with about 20-something email addresses. We're almost certainly moving to Migadu (which doesn't charge per account and seems reputable, according to lots of folks here) and then downgrading our account to the "Google Workspace Essentials" so our Google Docs don't go anywhere.
Re: I'm tired of Google's business products
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course both the privacy policy and TOS are very explicit about this. https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en-US > We don’t show you personalized ads based on your content from Drive, Gmail, or Photos. https://workspace.google.com/security/ > Google does not collect, scan, or use your data in Google Workspace services for advertising purposes and we do not display ads in Google Workspace https://workspace.google.…
We don’t show you personalized ads based on your content from Drive, Gmail, or Photos. LOL! Everything from Google must be carefully and legally parsed. No, they don't show ads *from Drive, GMail or Photos* --- these services are ad free. They do show ads *from the web* --- based on your personal profile and data collected from multiple sources. Nothing here rules out using data from Drive, Gmail and Photos to profil…
> No, they don't show ads from Drive, GMail or Photos --- these services are ad free. They do show ads from the web --- based on your personal profile and data collected from multiple sources. Nothing here rules out using data from Drive, Gmail and Photos to profile you.
Are you really seriously claiming that there's some kind of ambiguity in "Google does not collect, scan, or use your data in Google Workspace services for advertising purposes"?
If you're going to argue that "advertising purposes" wouldn't cover using the data for ad targeting, they have text explicitly addressing that too:
https://blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-traction-in...
Consumer Gmail content will not be used or scanned for any ads personalization after this change.
https://www.google.com/intl/en_fj/drive/
Your [Drive] content is safe, private, and never used for ad personalization
> The document you quote is not current but paid services do have different TOS
True, sorry about that! The current version states:
Google will not process Customer Data for Advertising purposes or serve Advertising in the Services.
But given that it's the same text, I don't really see how this helps your case.
> This is not a major source of their income.
Why would that matter?
> It's been proven that they scan, collect and save purchase receipts and access/scan web links contained in Gmail documents. Why do you suppose they do this?
Pretty obviously the receipt thing was due to it being a really convenient feature for Gmail users. I used it multiple times, and was sad when it was removed due to the outcry. For scanning web links, the even more obvious reason is to scan the links for malware, phishing pages, etc. But I am confident that these things are not for any kind of advertising purposes. And so should you: it was after all you who set the bar at whether using the data for ads was disallowed by the privacy policy or TOS.
When you get to set the standard of proof, and then refuse to accept that proof when provided, it doesn't really feel like you're acting in good faith here.
Re: I'm tired of Google's business products
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Now, 10 years later they are holding my online persona hostage in a shameless cash grab to try and make Workspaces more profitable. I'm in the same boat, but since ~2006 when I started my first company (dont recall exactly when I set up my google apps account though). I have to chose whether to move my account (which thanks to sign in with google is attached to more places than I can even remember), or pony up $6/m…
I run an online club with about 20-something email addresses. We're almost certainly moving to Migadu (which doesn't charge per account and seems reputable, according to lots of folks here) and then downgrading our account to the "Google Workspace Essentials" so our Google Docs don't go anywhere.
I moved to Migadu from Google Apps a month ago. The only minor issue is slightly worse spam filter but everything else works well and the ability to use Sieve scripts is really nice.