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Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

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Post by dahdum »

JustLurking2022 wrote: post #454
syshum wrote: post #428

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And yet they still starve, it is almost like crippling economic systems but allowing shipments of rice is not humanitarian at all, but more a "face saving" position so they can claim they are not the baddies

It's almost like the place is run by a dictator who would take food out of the mouth of his own people to fund a nuclear weapons program that serves no purpose other than to keep him in power.

It’s exactly like that, but that was always the most likely result and hardly a surprise. The sanctions are meant to drive a wedge between the regime and the people.

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Post by tinybrotosaurus »

tptacek wrote: post #148

Called it. :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21666694 Doing the guidelines sentence exercise is sort of fun, in a nerd-snipey way, and is a way to understand a bit of how federal criminal law works for us non-lawyers.

And what exactly one exercises by doing that?

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Post by version_five »

homonculus1 wrote: post #457
BeFlatXIII wrote: post #438

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That's why I find the fact that real murder and attempted murder have different sentences to be a grave injustice. Criminals should not receive a discount on their sentence because they happened to be a bad shot or because the good trauma surgeon was on duty that night.

Unfair as it may seem, it's better that the legal system limit itself to actual occurrences and not extrapolate to hypotheticals

Interesting, I see both sides. I agree completely with you that they shouldn't extrapolate. But in the case of attempted murder, wouldn't this just mean proving beyond doubt that someone tried to kill? If there is doubt that the accused meant only to harm, for example, then I get it. But if they provably tried to kill, however you prove that, then I see the argument that it's irrelevant whether they succeeded or not.

Anyway, it's moot imo because I don't believe in a retributive justice system, I think the only concern should be preventing recidivism. But your post has made me think a bit, I'm still not sure what the "right" answer is here

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Post by kube-system »

etherael wrote: post #455
kube-system wrote: post #212

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I'd really like to hear how you think that would physically take place.

If you had the ability to relatively risk free assist an NK defector and knew doing so would give you access to large economic reward, why would you choose not to?

How would you send someone in NK cryptocurrency? And if you could, how would they use it to escape?

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Post by tinybrotosaurus »

tofuahdude wrote: post #395
lizardactivist wrote: post #322

This is wrong on so many levels. The U.S. doesn't get to decide who gets to use blockchain, or whatever technology.

The U.S. did not decide who gets to use it. The U.S. punished a U.S. citizen for violating national law. That's very different from deciding who gets to use a technology.

And what was the purpose of said law again? If i increase the price of cars by a 1000x, am i not deciding who gets to buy and then use one? I'm making it harder to buy cars with the intention of less people using it, just like carbon taxes and the like.

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Post by esyir »

user3939382 wrote: post #301
axlee wrote: post #275

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> As a means of forcing someone to unwillingly settle a dispute in your favor that is. what kind of strange take it is? What do you think war is ?

Someone recently explained their view, that sanctions are akin to siege warfare in days of old. Whether you agree with that analogy or not, there is an underlying valid point that not all warfare requires physical violence. We use the term cyber warfare as another example.

They can be analogous to war, but the whole response about"oh no, what sanctions are also war" is just playing rhetorical games.

When people say war, the vast majority of the population will take it to mean boots on the ground, military involved, bullets flying war. The sarcastic

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Post by esyir »

user3939382 wrote: post #301
axlee wrote: post #275

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> As a means of forcing someone to unwillingly settle a dispute in your favor that is. what kind of strange take it is? What do you think war is ?

Someone recently explained their view, that sanctions are akin to siege warfare in days of old. Whether you agree with that analogy or not, there is an underlying valid point that not all warfare requires physical violence. We use the term cyber warfare as another example.

Yes, but when people say war in isolation, the vast majority of the population take that that, rightfully so, to refer to the conventional bullets flying tanks rolling, literally death dealing war.

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Post by esyir »

user3939382 wrote: post #301
axlee wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a means of forcing someone to unwillingly settle a dispute in your favor that is. what kind of strange take it is? What do you think war is ?

Someone recently explained their view, that sanctions are akin to siege warfare in days of old. Whether you agree with that analogy or not, there is an underlying valid point that not all warfare requires physical violence. We use the term cyber warfare as another example.

Yes, but when people say war in isolation, the vast majority of the population take that that, rightfully so, to refer to the conventional bullets flying tanks rolling, literally death dealing war.

Axlees post above reads in amazingly bad faith. It's just a "oh, you're not using this nonstandard definition you fool" type sarcastic response to dismiss the point, contributing nothing in itself.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

afarrell wrote: post #329
javajosh wrote: post #296

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It sucks but the world seems to punish people who are honest (like this guy) and help people who lie (like everyone who did what this guy did and lied about it). In the same vein, police get away with brutal abuse because they know what lies to tell to justify it ("I felt afraid for my life", etc). But the police would not get away with it if they told the truth, ("They showed me disrespect and I knew I wasn't going…

It similarly sucks that our justice system punishes the clumsy criminals and lets the really skillfully sneaky ones go unpunished. Nobody has yet faced charges for robbing the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum.

FYI: There is a famous robbery from the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum in 1990.

Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella_Stewart_Gardner_Museu...

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