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A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem

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Re: A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem

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Valuable lesson for all of those interns that there is more to life than business.

Or that life affects your business much more than the other way around. Mess it up and you’ll start failing at everything for a million tiny reasons.

It's also important to remember that business is far less important than other aspects of life.

Re: A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem

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About 10 years ago, I had a internship at Newell Rubbermaid. As part of the experience, the entire group of interns across all the brands got to have lunch with the CEO and basically ask him anything we wanted. At some point, someone asked about his biggest regret. We all expected some business blunder, but he said that he was offered an executive position by Kraft to lead their Asian segment, and that his wife reall…

It's ironic to me when women choose successful ambitious men to marry and then complain these same keep striving to climb up the corporate ranks.

It's ironic to me when men marry for any reason besides wanting a docile helpmeet and then complain that their partners have real ambitions, opinions, and goals.

Re: A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem

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"Locating, finding, and managing interaction with appropriate help is labor, too." But not the same kind. And really it's minimal once you find a good shop. "And it's often a better way of getting the job done, even if the immediately obvious monetary cost is higher." How so? If I can save $500-2k on maintenance costs every year, that's significant.

> But not the same kind. And really it's minimal once you find a good shop. Yes, that's an important time efficiency. Expending more effort on the same results is not a virtue. > If I can save $500-2k on maintenance costs every year, that's significant. Yes, but possibly less significant than the other benefits you could bring the partnership by not spending time on that.

"Yes, that's an important time efficiency. Expending more effort on the same results is not a virtue."

It's not the same result though. One costs a lot of money, the other costs only a little. Your statement only makes sense if someone has a bunch of spare money laying around.

"Yes, but possibly less significant than the other benefits you could bring the partnership by not spending time on that."

That's a moot point since my wife works during most of my off-hours. But I'm curious, what are these other benefits?

Re: A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem

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Dishwashers have not really caught on in India. I wash my plate or glass in the sink immediately when I'm done. I've done this for my entire life and I find it strange that people postpone it for later. Why would you?

Maids are cheaper than dishwashers in India.

Re: A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem

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About 10 years ago, I had a internship at Newell Rubbermaid. As part of the experience, the entire group of interns across all the brands got to have lunch with the CEO and basically ask him anything we wanted. At some point, someone asked about his biggest regret. We all expected some business blunder, but he said that he was offered an executive position by Kraft to lead their Asian segment, and that his wife reall…

Valuable lesson for all of those interns that there is more to life than business.

Valuable lesson for all of those interns that....there may be a million other things going on between two people. Unless you get both sides of the story, you only have one side of the story. Applies to CEO's as much to janitors.

Re: A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem

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My relationship just ended for mostly similar reasons (it wasn't just glasses in the sink, it was a few other things I did that she considered disrespectful that seemed minor to me) I was the only one working and paying for the apartment, her hobbies, and school, but things like the above would escalate into long arguments that I would ask to defer. The problem was, I would sometimes forget details that were importan…

It’s never really about the dishes. The dishes are just a thing in physical space. That isn’t to say that you can’t be Disrespectful with dishes or that one or both people’s behavior and expectations regarding the minutia of the kitchen isn’t unreasonable. But fighting about dishes is really good indication that there are more fundamental underlying schisms in the relationship that should be addressed. In my personal…

> It’s never really about the dishes. The dishes are just a thing in physical space.

I'd clarify that sometimes it is actually about the dishes. As someone with ADHD being in a living space with clutter slows me down and perpetuates more clutter. My solution to that is to never generate that sort of clutter - it leads to a destructive cycle I've identified in myself.

If the person I'm sharing space with starts that cycle, I suffer from it and can't escape it without external intervention - hence, yea, sometimes the dishes literally are the focus (I mean - this pattern can be repeated with other household tasks, a laundry basket full of clean un-put-away laundry will grow over time until it's falling over the sides and periodic tasks like taking out the garbage require extreme vigilance to stay on top of, corners can not be cut).

But the physical space does effect our mental space, and looking around your sanctum sanctorum and seeing nothing but todo lists will erode mental health.

Re: A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem

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Your comment reminds me of the following. My wife and I have been married over 30 years now. Our total household is 7 persons. A couple years ago, my wife was complaining once again about someone using scissors and not bringing them back to their proper storage place. "How can we have 3 pair of scissors and none of them are here when I need to use one?" This didn't bother me but hearing her complain about it did both…

Yet the solution to many relationship problems isn't finding a solution! I'm a sysadmin. When I see a problem, I try to fix it, and prevent it from happening again. But relationships aren't servers. Sometimes we see (or are told about) a problem, and immediately go to fix it. Yet often the problem isn't what we see. Usually (maybe 99% of the time) problems in relationships are about communication. Listening. Commiser…

Oh, I totally agree with you. And, there are times when it is not useful to try to come up with a solution because the other person just needs to be heard. It is not really about problem X. The real issue is not feeling heard, respected, loved.

Re: A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem

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If you took care the dishes she would find sth else to complain about. It is usually a deeper issue that is expressed in whatever minor plausible thing it finds around. You don't need clean dishes to expresses your love in a relationship that is built on mutual undertanding, respect and eventually love.

Re: A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem

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About 10 years ago, I had a internship at Newell Rubbermaid. As part of the experience, the entire group of interns across all the brands got to have lunch with the CEO and basically ask him anything we wanted. At some point, someone asked about his biggest regret. We all expected some business blunder, but he said that he was offered an executive position by Kraft to lead their Asian segment, and that his wife reall…

I mean, moving whole family without consent of partner indeed tend to break relationships. Not being able to take major promotion do cause resentment too, but damm, if my partner moved me to region I don't want to, I would be pissed.

But still, I can't imagine not being willing to move to any first world country that my senior executive spouse got transferred to -- as a senior corporate executive they've have a ton of resources at their disposal to make the move as easy as possible.

I have a good job that I like, but if my wife told me her company was moving her to Japan for a while, I'd jump at the opportunity.

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