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California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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Re: California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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Things (housing, schools, cost of living) are so expensive that also "tech" workers at so called FAANG are leaving California to work in new campuses that big tech are opening in other (for now still cheaper) places in US and abroad.

California has become a little island for reach people and NIMBY. No way to build a future and a family unless multi-multi millionaire.

Also, building a startup in California does not make any sense any more. Cost of hiring is too high.

Re: California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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Here is some cherry on top. This treatment of people looks like it belongs to China: https://www.calhealthreport.org/2018/01/25/anti-homeless-law... >"Kimberly Sandoval holds a ticket in her hand in disbelief. Her infraction: being in possession of spare bicycle parts." >"She has also been ticketed for being in possession of a tent, a lawn chair and a Bluetooth speaker—all items newly banned at the Civic Center under…

Notable: Santa Ana (and the rest of Orange County) is substantially more conservative than many people realize.

Municipalities are in an arms race to criminalize homelessness to push the issue to another city (defacto being Los Angeles).

Re: California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

#63

Unfortunately, these pieces could almost always be reduced to "housing costs". They address it a bit in this most recent one, but homelessness / school enrollment / natural population growth / middle class jobs / energy costs can all be traced back to the huge housing deficit that's accumulated over the past 30 or 40 years.

I just don't understand why cities in California won't let go of single unit zoning. Single unit is the most expensive and least efficient zoning rule. Getting rid of it would bring housing costs down. Ever visit a beautiful city like Paris, Copenhagen, Milan and wonder why we don't have that? It would be illegal to make the buildings they have under our zoning code and parking mandates!

SB-9 / "ADUs Everywhere!" passed last year at the state level effectively makes all property legally 2-3 unit.

Some people really want to live in lower-density suburban environments, though. I can't say I blame them, because the absolutely overwhelming majority of apartments/condos are strictly inferior in a number of ways. Sound transparency through walls / floors alone is a significant issue. Smells and ventilation too. And it's nice to have outside space you have access to / control over. Sure, units could be built to standards that mitigate those problems... but that costs money.

> It would be illegal to make the buildings they have under our zoning code and parking mandates!

More "costly" than illegal, if the LA neighborhoods I'm familiar with are any indication -- there's plenty of 3 story urban buildings with parking underneath (including one I recently moved out of), but of course that's a whole "floor" that could have been housing units, and the owner wants to recoup that with higher rents. $4250/mo for 2 bd last I checked.

Re: California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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The realclear group seems to have a certain slant.

And given that California has Silicon Valley, and also the Central Valley that's full of farm-oriented immigrants, of course you're going to have this gigantic disparity in wages. Pick up Silicon Valley and put it in Iowa, or Alabama, or Mississippi, or North Dakota, what would happen then?

Have other states stop shipping the destitute to California. What would happen then?

Go back and time and keep Purdue Pharm from making legal heroin. What would happen then?

Re: California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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I just don't understand why cities in California won't let go of single unit zoning. Single unit is the most expensive and least efficient zoning rule. Getting rid of it would bring housing costs down. Ever visit a beautiful city like Paris, Copenhagen, Milan and wonder why we don't have that? It would be illegal to make the buildings they have under our zoning code and parking mandates!

> I just don't understand why cities in California won't let go of single unit zoning. People like to live in single family homes and live next to single family homes. > Ever visit a beautiful city like Paris, Copenhagen, Milan and wonder why we don't have that? It would be illegal to make the buildings they have under our zoning code and parking mandates! You won't get a beautiful city like those with any kind of [r…

Ah yes, the famously laissez faire zoning policies in cities like Paris, Copenhagen, and Milan...

You don't get beautiful walkable cities if you let people just do whatever they want wherever they want. If you do that you get Houston Texas.

Re: California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just don't understand why cities in California won't let go of single unit zoning. Single unit is the most expensive and least efficient zoning rule. Getting rid of it would bring housing costs down. Ever visit a beautiful city like Paris, Copenhagen, Milan and wonder why we don't have that? It would be illegal to make the buildings they have under our zoning code and parking mandates!

> I just don't understand why cities in California won't let go of single unit zoning. People like to live in single family homes and live next to single family homes. > Ever visit a beautiful city like Paris, Copenhagen, Milan and wonder why we don't have that? It would be illegal to make the buildings they have under our zoning code and parking mandates! You won't get a beautiful city like those with any kind of [r…

Agreed, if you look at Alameda, CA it is a town with many beautiful victorian homes. In the 70s and 80s they were tearing them down as fast as they could and building ugly apartment buildings in their place. Then they changed the laws so you couldn't tear down the old homes and now many of them are restored to their beautiful original state.

Re: California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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As an immigrant who came to USA 25+ years ago and made SF bay area home since then I can say that California is not doing well. I am lucky to have a home here and surrounded by friendly neighbors and community. But as someone who came from India - I can draw parallels on many (negative) fronts between my experiences in India and where California is headed. Too much income inequality, inflation, poverty, homelessness, high cost of living, corruption, lack of civic sense and disregard about law shown by many when out in public in public spaces. I truly hope CA does not become replica of yet another "developing nation".

Re: California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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I just don't understand why cities in California won't let go of single unit zoning. Single unit is the most expensive and least efficient zoning rule. Getting rid of it would bring housing costs down. Ever visit a beautiful city like Paris, Copenhagen, Milan and wonder why we don't have that? It would be illegal to make the buildings they have under our zoning code and parking mandates!

Cities don't vote, people do. I own a single family home in the Palo Alto. If I wanted to living in a city like Paris, I would. I like it here. I don't care about the price of my house, since I do not plan to sell it this decade. I care a TON about my neighborhood. I love that my neighborhood is quiet, not crowded, and has easy parking. I will vote against any proposals or elected officials who represent me that woul…

The easy solution is that your quality of life should not infringe on the rights of millions of people to housing that doesn't cost 90% of their monthly income to pay for. And the state is going to drag local cities kicking and screaming to where we need to go, like it or not.

I make well into 6 figures a year and I can't buy a shack in Fremont because of people like you.

Re: California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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There's video footage of mass burglaries. I don't know what more proof you want.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

A: There is no evidence of X. B: Did you look for evidence of X? A: There is no reason to look for evidence of X when there is no evidence of X. B: There have been as-yet unsubstantiated reports and claims about X. A: These claims of X have been debunked. B: How were these claims debunked? A: They are unlikely. B: How did you come to that conclusion? A: There is no evidence of X, therefore they cannot have been likely. If X were likely, there would be evidence of X. B: How would you determine if there was evidence of X? A: If there were substantial reason to investigate X, it would have been investigated. There is no substantial reason to investigate X since there is no evidence of X. B: If a third party provided some evidence of X, would that not be substantial reason to further investigate if there is more evidence of X? A: There is no reason to investigate for evidence of X, since third party evidence of X is not believable. B: What would make evidence of X believable? A: If there was evidence of X, it would have been reported. B: But the evidence of X was reported! A: The reports of X are unfounded, since there is no evidence of X.

Re: California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just don't understand why cities in California won't let go of single unit zoning. Single unit is the most expensive and least efficient zoning rule. Getting rid of it would bring housing costs down. Ever visit a beautiful city like Paris, Copenhagen, Milan and wonder why we don't have that? It would be illegal to make the buildings they have under our zoning code and parking mandates!

> I just don't understand why cities in California won't let go of single unit zoning. People like to live in single family homes and live next to single family homes. > Ever visit a beautiful city like Paris, Copenhagen, Milan and wonder why we don't have that? It would be illegal to make the buildings they have under our zoning code and parking mandates! You won't get a beautiful city like those with any kind of [r…

>People like to live in single family homes and live next to single family homes.

Then those people should buy a single family home and the single family homes around them and keep them that way.

>You won't get a beautiful city like those with any kind of zoning. It's too expensive. You'd get flimsy modern cookie-cutter buildings and maybe some brutalist concrete hulks.

The current restrictions that have created suburbia are already yield expensive, cookie cutter and flimsy housing, so even if your arguments were taken at face value (Which I disagree with), nothing changes for the worse.

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