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California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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Re: California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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How is this possible? "more than 80 percent of California jobs paid under the median income" I can see under the mean or average, but median? How can 80% be below the median when the definition of median is 50% are below this value?

It's a weird point phrased poorly, seems they're referencing the chart at the bottom of page 11 here: https://www.chapman.edu/communication/_files/beyond-feudalis... Which is saying that 80% of new jobs were created at wage levels below the median level. E.g. they are looking at ~1.8 million jobs added from 2008-2018 and comparing it to the median wage in 2018 out of the ~19 million people working in California.

Additionally, the source material specifies average for the chart, not median, although median is specified in some textual components as well.

Re: California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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Unfortunately, these pieces could almost always be reduced to "housing costs". They address it a bit in this most recent one, but homelessness / school enrollment / natural population growth / middle class jobs / energy costs can all be traced back to the huge housing deficit that's accumulated over the past 30 or 40 years.

I just don't understand why cities in California won't let go of single unit zoning.

Single unit is the most expensive and least efficient zoning rule. Getting rid of it would bring housing costs down.

Ever visit a beautiful city like Paris, Copenhagen, Milan and wonder why we don't have that? It would be illegal to make the buildings they have under our zoning code and parking mandates!

Re: California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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No doubt California has many problems but describing these as if they're isolated to California or merely the result of local political actions is disingenuous (but is what you expect from this right wing site shopping right wing talking points). The US overall has a problem with rising poverty and wages not keeping up with the cost of living. The US overall has a problem home-as-investment standing in the way of act…

I do think its a bit of a popular . It gets page views. Kind of like when people complain about Apple/Android. Sure they could improve but they are popular for a reason.

Its my belief that any state that gets to this level of population density will have these issues.

Re: California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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Unfortunately, these pieces could almost always be reduced to "housing costs". They address it a bit in this most recent one, but homelessness / school enrollment / natural population growth / middle class jobs / energy costs can all be traced back to the huge housing deficit that's accumulated over the past 30 or 40 years.

I just don't understand why cities in California won't let go of single unit zoning. Single unit is the most expensive and least efficient zoning rule. Getting rid of it would bring housing costs down. Ever visit a beautiful city like Paris, Copenhagen, Milan and wonder why we don't have that? It would be illegal to make the buildings they have under our zoning code and parking mandates!

>Getting rid of it would bring housing costs down.

You answered your own question. Housing costs coming down is a good thing for people who need housing, but it's not really a good thing for people who own valuable homes, and people who own valuable homes tend to have much more political power.

Re: California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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> San Francisco, meanwhile, suffers the highest property crime rate in the country. Businesses like Walgreens have shut down numerous Bay Area locations due to “rampant burglaries.”

Hasn't the "we're shutting down this Walgreens because of rampant burglaries" been repeatedly debunked?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/is-shoplifting-forcing-wal...

Re: California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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Unfortunately, these pieces could almost always be reduced to "housing costs". They address it a bit in this most recent one, but homelessness / school enrollment / natural population growth / middle class jobs / energy costs can all be traced back to the huge housing deficit that's accumulated over the past 30 or 40 years.

I just don't understand why cities in California won't let go of single unit zoning. Single unit is the most expensive and least efficient zoning rule. Getting rid of it would bring housing costs down. Ever visit a beautiful city like Paris, Copenhagen, Milan and wonder why we don't have that? It would be illegal to make the buildings they have under our zoning code and parking mandates!

Keeps out undesirables.

Re: California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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Among myriad of issues, one is that the tax rates for the very rich are not high enough.

And the absolute parrallel there is - people probably wouldn't feel their money is being spent effectively.

I really do feel that rich Californians would accept higher taxes if the money was really well spent.

Impossible to talk about is the 'low end' - where you have (and bringing in) people in very, very low skilled and economic classes even on a global scale, who really can't 'participate' in the regular economy to legitimize a solid minimum wage.

And so you get 1M people working 'under the table' where the supply/demand bears a low price.

It might be heartless to hear, but consider that it may be far more efficient to have US companies invest in developing Mexico, and have those people have wage jobs there that provide them a modicum of dignity - as opposed to coming to Cali and being jammed into the 'bottom'.

The 'cartels' (very complicated issue) is an example of how, systematically everything gets oppressed.

Cali has never been about 'equality' (i.e. communitarian, hard work, self discipline, charitable giving, good governance, responsible social spending, community cohesion aka Sweden) more like the 'dreamy feeling of equality' where if everyone just 'pursues their thing and acts kind it will all work out'.

Throw in a national crisis in healthcare and housing and you have your mess.

It takes everything: taxes need to be a bit more for the rich, schools need to be a bit rigorous, parents need to parent, the border needs to be responsibly managed, need to have intervention in healthcare pricing, police need to act fairly and appropriately, city councils need to stop being corrupt, DA needs to stop being populist, don't elect a 'pretty playboy' to lead government instead elect rationalists who are competent and can lead, we cannot allow petty crime to go unheeded, we cannot allow absolute poverty to go unheeded, we cannot allow corporate corruption to go unheeded, we cannot allow government inefficiency to go unheeded. People need to stop being dreamy and delusional and ideological on all fronts. 'TED Talk' thinking does not solve any problems, it misleads us to thinking there is an idea, or a technology that can change - I say rubbish, we need to be responsible and conscientious on all fronts, that's what makes civilization.

Re: California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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No doubt California has many problems but describing these as if they're isolated to California or merely the result of local political actions is disingenuous (but is what you expect from this right wing site shopping right wing talking points). The US overall has a problem with rising poverty and wages not keeping up with the cost of living. The US overall has a problem home-as-investment standing in the way of act…

California is also a state that will throw you in jail for certain types of debt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debtors%27_prison#Modern_debto...

This applies to legal fines. Doesn’t sound like it applies to medical debt:

https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/penal-code/pen-sect-1205.html

Re: California's Vanished Dream, by the Numbers

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> San Francisco, meanwhile, suffers the highest property crime rate in the country. Businesses like Walgreens have shut down numerous Bay Area locations due to “rampant burglaries.” Hasn't the "we're shutting down this Walgreens because of rampant burglaries" been repeatedly debunked? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/is-shoplifting-forcing-wal...

I strongly urge you to just stand in an SF Walgreens and watch how many people walk out the door with stolen goods. None of those incidents are reported, the security guards don't even bother getting up.
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