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Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

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He should be in jail for longer. What a traitor.

Imagine knowing literally anything about north Korea and wanting to help that government. He should be put away for life for aiding crimes against humanity.

What if the news about NK is not entirely unbiased? (I have no proof either way, just asking the question)

Edit: People are taking my comment wrong. I am asking this because there are a lot of assumptions people have, I know almost nothing about NK, and the comment I replied to seemed somewhat irrational, a little reactionary and certainly vindictive.

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

#122
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of the founders of this country were responsible for the Alien and Sedition Acts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

Seriously, the weird veneration we have for the founders is very bizarre mainly because once they got in power, they largely acted like any other ruler.

Their practical actions clarified and tempered their espoused dogma. Wise individuals are frequently misunderstood thanks to the ambiguity of language, and listeners reasonably prefer assumption over nuance.

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

#124

The founders of this country are rolling in their graves. Every part of this story. All he did was go to another country and spread truthful information. > "The most important feature of blockchains is that they are open. And the DPRK can't be kept out no matter what the USA or the UN says," This is conspiracy ? Is telling someone that a gun can kill now considered conspiracy to murder, too? Is it really the stance o…

>The founders of this country are rolling in their graves. Every part of this story.

Some of them were put in their graves, for similar reasons - treason is treason.

> All he did was go to another country and spread truthful information.

This is nearly a non-sequitur. Analogous to, "All he did was goto another country to take advantage of the lower age of consent," which is objectively true, but blatantly illegal.

>This is conspiracy? Is telling someone that a gun can kill now considered conspiracy to murder, too?

Yes, telling someone the whereabouts and function of a lethal weapon in the known context of a premeditated murder is obviously conspiracy.

>Is it really the stance of the US government that North Korea knew enough about cryptocurrency to hold a cryptocurrency conference, but that they wouldn’t have been capable of evading sanctions if not for this man speaking this sentence?

If the argument here is "how can the mouse be charged for moving the mountain," then that is excusing, trivializing, and absolving actions unduly. How little treason is too much? Just a couple national security secrets okay?

>And while I’m at it, free citizens should not have to ask permission from the government for where they are allowed to go. In free societies, if the other country lets you in you can go.

You actually do not need a passport to leave, or come back, from and to, the United States. You may find it isn't frictionless, however.

>We are not a free country. Half of a decade! Over 5% of his life, gone. Unbelievable.

I agree, he shouldn't be locked up. He should had been sentenced to hanging, from the neck.

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

#125

What if he did the exact same presentation in youtube, and in NK they saw that presentation? What if someone in NK downloaded the open source implementation of that blockchain, participated on it, or even mined quite a few coins? Could be argued the same about any open source program (and their developers) dealing with encrypted information in any way? What was the problem? Going in person? Answering questions in the…

> What if he did the exact same presentation in youtube, and in NK they saw that presentation?

If it was general information about how Blockchain can be used to evade sanctions, it would probably be fine as long as he was reporting how it could be done and not encouraging it.

> What if someone in NK downloaded the open source implementation of that blockchain, participated on it, or even mined quite a few coins?

Almost certainly not a problem. His tool is legal and he can't control other people taking it and using it to commit crimes.

> What was the problem?

His intention was the problem. The point of his talk was to help the North Koreans use crypto to evade sanctions. In law, intentions matter. There's a massive legal difference between hitting a pedestrian with your car and running down a pedestrian with your car, even if the outcome is exactly the same. The first is an accident, the second is assault.

> Judge Castel read a series of text messages and emails from Griffith in which the defendant admits to sharing information with North Korea for the express purpose of helping the repressive Kim regime evade sanctions.

> What the judge found most damning, perhaps, was a photo of Griffith presenting at the conference, wearing a traditional North Korean suit and standing in front of a blackboard on which it read “No sanctions!” with a smiley face.

https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/04/12/former-ethereum...

> I don't care about crypto, but I do care about what this precedent implies.

That the intentions of the defendant matter? I have bad news for you, you find this Hammurabi's code and the Old Testament

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

#126

I met Virgil at an academic workshop back in 2014. We went out in Amsterdam. He was a weird guy, to say the least (he’d probably be the first to agree). He was generally quite affable and obviously highly intelligent. He’s an idiot for this fiasco. But it’s also sad to see him in jail; I don’t see how this benefits society in any way. Five years in prison seems like a disproportionate punishment for an arguably victi…

To an extent, I wonder if this is the fear of the unknown. Here is a guy, who actually seems to understand the 'magic' of crypto. God only knows what he could do with dangerous knowledge like that. I am not foreign policy, NK, crypto, or national security expert, but it is not about safety. It is about sending a message at a time when US engages in very heavy sanctions effort ( currently against Russia ). From that p…

His mind behind bars is a total waste but I don't see anything magical about what he did. Replace "unit of cryptocurrency" above with "duffel bag of diamonds" or any other store of value and it's transparently illegal.

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine knowing literally anything about north Korea and wanting to help that government. He should be put away for life for aiding crimes against humanity.

What if the news about NK is not entirely unbiased? (I have no proof either way, just asking the question) Edit: People are taking my comment wrong. I am asking this because there are a lot of assumptions people have, I know almost nothing about NK, and the comment I replied to seemed somewhat irrational, a little reactionary and certainly vindictive.

There are many different sources of information about what goes on in NK, including people who have escaped from there.

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

#128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine knowing literally anything about north Korea and wanting to help that government. He should be put away for life for aiding crimes against humanity.

What if the news about NK is not entirely unbiased? (I have no proof either way, just asking the question) Edit: People are taking my comment wrong. I am asking this because there are a lot of assumptions people have, I know almost nothing about NK, and the comment I replied to seemed somewhat irrational, a little reactionary and certainly vindictive.

No news sources are entirely unbiased, even when they make an effort to be.

Regardless, we know a lot from NK from multiple sources. The main reason we don't know more is because of how closed that dictatorship is.

Re: US sentences crypto expert to 5 years after North Korea blockchain presentation

#130
post #24

This is so sad, how does locking him up for 5 years really helps anyone? or keep anyone safer? He did something stupid maybe, but his work was exploring how digital systems can help bring peace to the world, and he thought a good place for that to happen is NK, so who doesn't agree with that? None of the information he presented was secret, it was all publicly available. For comparison here is a company that actually…

North Korea actively threatens the use of nuclear weapons, offensively, against its neighbors and enemies. There should be no sympathy for this regime or anyone who collaborates with it.

"actively threatens the use of nuclear weapons, offensively, against its neighbors and enemie"

Citation needed. NK nuclear policy is No Preemption understood to be borderline No First Use. Until last month when Japan and South Korea were threatening base strike capabilities in which case NK turned into only retaliation strikes against military targets if attacked first.

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